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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

That is exactly it—the cap is there to protect public funding. Before Covid, the reimbursement rate for the older persons scheme was set by using an economic model that was agreed with the CPT, which is relatively happy with where we are at the moment. No one likes to have their budget capped or to lose money—I absolutely accept that—but we are in incredibly difficult financial straits at the moment. The Government has taken the right approach in ensuring that the cap will protect funds, on the basis of the modelling that has been done.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

If we meet the limits on the capped amount, and if monitoring in-year suggests that the claims are likely to exceed the cap, claims for the latter part of the year are paid at a lower rate than is set out in the legislation, so as to keep the total payments under the scheme within the statutory cap. If this was the case, Transport Scotland would write to operators as soon as possible so that they would know the indication for the year to come.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

No, I cannot reassure you that there will be more funding, because there will not be. The funding will be split; the cap is set as what the cap is. If we get to a position where the cap is reached, Transport Scotland will communicate with the bus operators. However, I emphasise that the modelling has been done on the basis of known figures that cover a long period of time. Currently, the figure for patronage is sitting at 80 per cent of the figure prior to Covid, and there is no indication that it will increase to the level at which we will have to do anything with the budget cap.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

It is a hypothetical because, right now, we have set a cap on the basis of the modelling that has been done, so we have a relatively good idea of where it will be. If that changes, we will have to adjust accordingly, using the information that we have at that time. However, I cannot tell you what it will be because I do not know what will happen in the future.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

—and budget constraints. With those budget constraints, we have set a cap at the level that we think the usage and the patronage will be. That is where we are.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

I am sorry, but I did not hear what you said, Mr Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Okay—no problem. We will write to the committee on that issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

I assume that we will get to a topping-out point, but I have absolutely no idea at this stage where that will be. We want to do as much as we can to encourage as many young people as possible on to buses, so that that becomes their habit-forming way of travelling. That is part of what we are trying to do. Once we have more data in front of us, we will review that, which will allow us to make decisions on what that will look like in the future.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

No. If the numbers of people using the bus have gone up and the reimbursement rate has gone down, it balances itself out. If I am wrong on that, Bettina Sizeland will correct me—and I am happy to be corrected.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Could Bettina Sizeland be allowed to make one final point, please?