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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

There were a number of questions in there.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Indeed.

You spoke about the First Minister’s announcements. Those policies are being developed. James Muldoon will be better at giving the detail on where we are with that at the moment, but my understanding is that it is about ensuring that the farming community has the opportunity to apply for funding that will allow farmers either to drive efficiencies or to support biodiversity and other climate mitigations.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I take your point, but I go back to a point that I made. If we just gave you the rural support plan and told you to get on with it, and then said, “By the way, you have to do all these things,” you would say, “But those things do not tie in together,” because we would not have gone through the process that we are going through.

You say that I am proud of ARIOB. What matters is not that I am proud of it but that it works. I assure you that there are some very robust discussions happening there. It has very good representation of farmers of all sorts—from arable, pork and crofting to upland and other livestock farming. They are all in there, along with others, including the RSPB. Everyone is represented there. However, as soon as you bring such a diverse group of people into one room, things will take time, because they are not all going to agree. We were never all going to agree on everything that we are trying to get out of this.

The rural support plan is the completion of all those things. Rhoda Grant made a point about putting the cart before the horse, but I do not think that that is the case. I think we need to build what we want and then, once we have all that together, that becomes the rural support plan that will allow us to go forward into the future. It will be what it is, and if changes are required, we will be able to make them as we develop. Things will change—we have seen that. The war in Ukraine shows us that things can change very quickly—we know that.

We had to have flexibility but we also had to work with the industry. This is about more than just ARIOB. You will all be aware that I have had a letter from Donna Smith. She has come back to us—very late in the day—to say that she has a whole list of questions for us. I have written to her to say that we will answer those questions but also to ask her to come in and speak to me. I want us to sit down and have a conversation about her concerns so that we can try to find the solutions that will allow us to make progress, because the crofting community is as big a part of the conversation as anyone else. For example, I think that Donald MacKinnon has been a member of ARIOB from day 1. He has taken part in the policy development process.

I am trying to make the point that, although you talked about ARIOB being a clique, I promise you that it is not. It consists of a broad range of people with a wide range of views, who are all pitching in with ideas, advice and arguments about how to proceed. The rural support plan will be the document that comes out of all that scrutinising and all those discussions. We hope to have one of the best support plans available, which, as well as allowing us to achieve our objectives, will allow the farming community to continue to produce food.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I did not say that it was a mess; I said that it was messy. Let us be clear about that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I am trying to think of the right way to phrase this. The 70:30 split is kind of where we are already. The 30 per cent is the greening element and the 70 per cent is the base payment. The decision was taken to keep within those spheres at this stage. That does not mean that they will stay that way, but that is where the split is to allow us to transition.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

To answer the first question, the 2024 act will be implemented this year. We will use both acts as we introduce new legislation. If it is a legacy matter, the 2020 act will be used; if we introduce new provisions, the 2024 act will be used. That will be the process.

Everybody recognises that coming out of the EU was a fundamental shift for all of us, because we had worked with the common agricultural policy for the period of our membership and we are now working with a completely new system. That shift has had to be made in conjunction with the industry, the sectors that are affected and the Government to allow everyone to get into the position that we are now in. We are now in a fairly positive place in that we are delivering on the objectives of the policies that the Government has set and on the farming industry’s requirements. The issue is how we will work as a community to deliver the outcomes. I hope that that answers your question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Are you talking about the provisions in our current work to transition from the legacy to the current position?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

At this stage, I am going to say no. We are bringing in the policy that we currently have, but I am not ruling out the potential for changes once we start to see how it functions.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

The Government will decide the way forward, but it will be based on all the information, advice and help that we are given by the industry, by non-governmental organisations and by everybody else who is part of that conversation.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

EFA is the ecological—sorry, but I have lost the term myself.