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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

The public interest will have to be set out in the code of practice in the individual circumstances.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Yes. I understand that there is a desire for clarity on the meaning of the term “public interest” in that context. The right place to do that is in the code of practice and not in secondary legislation.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

The public interest will be determined by the consultation process that NatureScot goes through with the people who are involved with a deer management plan or whatever it is that they are doing. Does that make sense?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I do not see that being a concern. There is definitely a difference between what lowland deer management will do and what upland and hill deer management will do, because there are deer management groups in those areas. Is the concern that deer management groups are being targeted as opposed to what is happening on low ground? We accept that there is a difference between the two areas.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I am genuinely not seeing the conflict here. The panel is advisory, NatureScot has to act reasonably and impartially in all its duties, and the panel must be approved by Scottish ministers. I do not see the issue being as dangerous to impartiality as other people think that it is. I just have a different opinion. I am sorry.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I cannot argue that off the top of my head, but if we cannot find the information just now, we will come back to the committee and give you any that we have on whether there is precedent for that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

There could be any number of circumstances. Currently, there has to be a three-year review; the bill proposes that it should be a 10-year review. Things could happen or change, and circumstances could require more immediate action to be taken, and that is why the provision was put in the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

It is purely to give that flexibility, yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Yes, but if we could see into the future, we would pick six numbers and we would all be millionaires. The point that I am making is that the financial memorandum shows the potential worst-case scenario. We cannot say with any certainty what is actually going to happen. If I am taking what you called a very noble approach, I will take that as a compliment, so thank you very much. However, my approach is a result of the conversations that I have had with the sector. Everybody has a genuine desire to make this work. That is how I have approached the issue right from the start, and it is how I will continue to approach it.

We will try to get through the knotty bits, which we understand are there, and we will try to find resolutions to people’s issues. However, by and large, what the financial memorandum states is based on the potential worst-case scenario.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Again, no, I do not think that that would be appropriate at this stage. The code of practice will be worked out with stakeholders and the people it will be relevant to, and then we will bring it forward. We will not have the time to do it before we get to stage 3, but, as I have stated from the outset, it will absolutely be done in consultation with stakeholders, so that we get it right.