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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

I am sorry, convener, but I cannot answer questions about individual cases.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

The purpose of the order is to allow Transport Scotland to take actions to remove a bus pass from someone who is committing antisocial behaviour. I am not going to comment on the death of Mr Rollinson and I am not going to go any further with this conversation about him. I think that it is inappropriate and disrespectful. I am sorry, Mr Lumsden, but I am finding it really distasteful, because we are discussing an order that is about antisocial behaviour going forward, not about something that has happened in the past. I cannot give guarantees on anything in relation to Mr Rollinson’s position, and I would rather not discuss Mr Rollinson’s position.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

It is not about whether I have a view. It is about the process that we are putting in place and about the fact that the Parliament and stakeholders are asking us to put an SSI in place to allow the Government and Transport Scotland to go through a process to remove somebody’s right to have free bus travel.

I am afraid that you are completely mischaracterising what has been discussed, which is unfortunate, because I hoped that, given that it has been a demand from the entire Parliament, we would get to the point at which the SSI gets passed.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

We have already discussed that. If an incident takes place on a bus, Transport Scotland will scrutinise that in conjunction with the discussions that it has had with stakeholders about whether it is appropriate to remove a bus pass. We will not sit here and give a prescriptive list.

I have also said that the instrument is deliberately broad to allow the proper scrutiny by Transport Scotland, in its wisdom, to decide whether the pass should be removed.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

Which is criminality.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

We already have zero tolerance of criminality and the justiciary will go through the process to prosecute criminality. What we are talking about is antisocial behaviour, which is a different thing. If there is criminal behaviour, the police and other authorities carry out the processes that they have to carry out to deal with that. This is about giving Transport Scotland the ability to remove the entitlement to a bus pass if somebody is displaying antisocial behaviour, being foul and abusive, hurting someone physically or harassing people in any way.

We are discussing two different things here. I absolutely agree, 100 per cent, that there is zero tolerance of violence; I could not agree more. However, that is not what this is. The direct result of somebody committing violence and then being convicted of a crime is, in all likelihood, that they will lose their use of a bus pass, but that would be incidental to the fact that they have been prosecuted for criminality.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

Yes, they would be.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

The condition in the particular scheme in this SSI is that companies will be left no better and no worse off. This is not seen as a direct benefit in terms of putting more people on buses; it is a no better, no worse approach, which is why the rate goes up or down slightly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

That would very much depend on how many people continued to use the bus. A lot of people have no choice but to use the bus, and they would end up paying for it themselves. The people who would be hurt would be the passengers, not the bus companies.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Jim Fairlie

That would be a decision for the Cabinet, not for me.