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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

No. The panel will be required to make its decision within a six-month period, although it will be up to whoever is presenting the franchising proposal to ensure that they have done all the work that they need to do for it to be progressed.

We are taking a belt-and-braces approach. Anyone who cuts corners will get stopped, so why start in the first place? It is a matter of having certainty that someone else is taking another look—and they might say, “You didn’t do that bit.” Those who are making a proposal should therefore do it right in the first place.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

The approach that was taken there was based on the financial model alone; it did not take the whole picture into account. That is the fundamental difference. The proposal there was rejected on the basis of a financial model.

Clearly, the financial model is a really important aspect. We want to ensure that the business case has been made to the fullest extent, and it will include everything else. We are not comparing apples with apples here; we are comparing two different things.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

If we carry on with the legislation as it is, there will be a panel, regardless. That goes back to the point that Mr Lumsden made. [Interruption.] I will let you finish your point. I apologise; that was rude.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I did not speak to the transport secretary when I learned that the motion to annul was being lodged. I looked at the concerns and at why this was becoming an issue. I take on board the issues, but I go back to the primary point that I made, which is that if the committee does not pass the SSI, that will set us back considerably.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

No. I envisage—and very much hope—that what will happen next is that the committee will pass the SSI today, which will allow us to continue to move forward with franchising. If that is not the case, I will have to go away and we will have to have some discussions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes—SPT can continue with its work.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes. When we consider the legislative options, I would take that back to the cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

If the regulations are to be annulled, I assure you that the rest of my day will be scrapped—let me put it that way. We will go away and have a long and detailed conversation about what will happen next. If the instrument was annulled, the panels would still be implemented and they would then be decided on entirely by the traffic commissioner, without any input from us. That would be the net result.

We would then have to consider whether that was a road that we were prepared to go down or whether we had to stop the approach in its entirety. That is why I am saying that we would be going back to square 1.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

It will be sometime in 2026-27.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I will not give any commitment about what I will do if the instrument is annulled. The only commitment that I can give you is that, if it is not annulled, I will certainly bring the guidance back to the committee so that you can scrutinise it. Other than that, I cannot give any other commitment.