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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 February 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

Sorry, can you ask the question again?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

As it stands, we could not stop other POs joining the Scottish system. Depending on how many of them there were, we have no mechanism to stop them. Whatever plans they put in, there would be no mechanism for us to say no to them. We would be legally obliged to fund them. Whatever that happens to be, we would have an obligation to fund it. The implications of that are dependent on the size of the POs that come in and how much money they take out of the budget. We would be unable to say no.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

I appreciate you not asking me, because you have probably seen that as recently as I have. There was no request to come and speak to me or to the cabinet secretary about the decision to resign. We will digest the information that was given to us at the same time as it was given to everyone else, although I think that we might have had an embargoed version a few hours before it was put out. We had an embargoed version, but we only found out very late in the day. There was no request for a discussion or debate about it, so we are still a little bit in the dark as to why that happened.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

It would be a huge burden on the Scottish Government to fund producers from other parts of the UK, which would then require us to consider whether we could continue with the scheme. So, yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

My apologies. I misspoke. Yes, there would be funding, but we would also be funding other organisations that would come up from down south.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

The reservation makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It used to be a devolved function but, in 2020, I think, the UK Government decided to make it a reserved function, which makes no sense at all, because the budget comes from Scotland. That is when we had PO schemes across the UK, but the fact that England has now stopped its scheme has put us into the current position. We are taking steps to protect the scheme, but we do not have the primary legislative powers to change any of the definitions in it. As it stands, the scheme is doing what it was required to do in the first place. The situation just means that we do not have powers to do anything on the definitions of the scheme.

I agree that it does not make any sense at all that that function is reserved but that everything else is devolved.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

It might not work for them, but it absolutely works in ensuring that Scotland has a vibrant group of people who are growing the kind of fruit and veg that we want to be grown in Scotland. It is working for them and it is working for Scotland plc.

It might not be working for some individuals, but, as I have already said to other committee members, I am more than happy to continue looking at how we can give them more support. We have put the small producers pilot fund in place, and I am absolutely committed to looking at how we can do more for them while, at the same time, providing stability for those who are living in less favoured areas and for people who are living in the most remote areas. I am committed to ensuring that the basic payment scheme that is currently in place is still functioning.

You are asking an awful lot by saying that we could have come here with a better scheme. We could have, but we also worked on ensuring that we gave stability and that we are transitioning at a pace that allows the farming community to come with us, while also ensuring that we get the delivery that we are looking for on biodiversity and carbon emissions.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

Before the end of tomorrow?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

No. I have not asked them. I know that NFU Scotland is keen for the SSI to be passed, but I do not want to start pitching one group of food producers and farmers in Scotland against another. We have seen that being done already and I do not think that we should be doing it.

I am asking for the SSI to be passed to allow us to create stability for a scheme that we know works. There might be members here who believe that it does not work, but I am absolutely convinced that it does. I am also giving the assurance that I have my eyes firmly on how we increase the resilience of the small producers that Ariane Burgess has mentioned a number of times and who, we both agree, are vitally important to our long-term sustainability and biodiversity through everything that they bring to the table. Getting this bit done will allow us to move on to the next bit.

Although I take Alasdair Allan’s point, I want to focus on the committee passing the SSI so that we can move on to the next bit, which will allow us to create more stability around the other areas of agriculture policy that we are developing.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jim Fairlie

That will very much depend on how many other producers join Scottish POs.