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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 1 June 2022
Jim Fairlie
Another thing that was mentioned was getting a licence for environmental reasons, which would have to be done under a scheme. Again, I will give my personal experience. I watched wading bird numbers plummet with the increased number of ravens. Nobody was paying attention to that, but the by-product of my being able to control ravens to protect sheep was that it helped to maintain wading bird numbers. Who is the best person to tell NatureScot of an environmental or ecological issue on land that it is managing? Who makes that decision?
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 1 June 2022
Jim Fairlie
There will have to be co-operation and trust between NatureScot and land managers.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 1 June 2022
Jim Fairlie
It might not be that short, convener.
Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee
Meeting date: 1 June 2022
Jim Fairlie
I will go back a bit, because I forgot to ask you something earlier. In section 24, which is titled, “Crown application: criminal offences”, subsection (1) says:
“Nothing in this Act makes the Crown criminally liable.”
What does that mean?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Jim Fairlie
That takes me straight on to a question for you, Stefan. My question relates to how the messages were put out and how the media were used. In this country, television is trusted, but print media not so much. That applies on both sides: there are certain papers that I will not buy and there will be folk who go the other way. Is public ownership important for people to be able to trust the information that they get from television?
11:15COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Jim Fairlie
Let me stop you there for a wee second. I am going to go back to what you and Will Moy said earlier. When we have an information gap, that is when other stuff can seep in. There is a time gap too. We have information and we tell people that we are working on it and that they should stop living and stay at home to let us work it out. In the meantime, someone else comes along and feeds in other, damaging, information.
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Jim Fairlie
Thanks very much to the panel for turning up. I have to say that when I started reading all this, I thought of a band in the 1980s that I loved called The Jam. One of the lines in their song, “Going Underground”, is:
“You choose your leaders and place your trust”.
That, to me, is probably the most fundamental thing. If we do not trust those who are leading us—if we do not trust their leadership—none of the other nuances that we talk about will matter. I could be completely wrong in saying that, and I would be interested to hear your views, but we have a bit of a dichotomy. First, we need that trust, but we have science working at pace trying to keep up with something that we do not understand; we have a public message going out trying to get people to change their entire way of life; and, at the same time, we have leaders saying, “Bear with us, because we don’t quite know what we’re doing yet.”
Given what we have just been through, how do we pull all that together and make it fit? We know that another emergency will come, so, very simply, how do we do that?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Jim Fairlie
Public ownership of the media.
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Jim Fairlie
I refer to my original question to the previous panel. SciBeh’s evidence states:
“The key challenges of communicating public health messages during the pandemic relate to maintaining public knowledge of and trust in quickly changing information and combating misinformation.”
It goes on to say:
“Underpinning the evidence and recommendations in this statement is the critical role of public trust in institutions during a crisis. It is important to bear in mind how to tackle any challenges while maintaining public trust in health authorities and governments.”
Trust, quality and value are the things that are highlighted. I therefore come back to the point that I made earlier: none of what we are talking about matters if the public do not trust what they are getting. This is now becoming politicised. Right at the start of the pandemic it was not; there were no political arguments about it. However, it is now politicised: we might sit in the chamber or in this committee, and it gets political.
We currently have a breach of trust in the UK Government because of the Prime Minister. I am genuinely not trying to make this political, but we are not out of the pandemic—there are still things happening and there could still be another variant—so, given the situation that we are in, how do we regain the level of trust that we had at the start of the pandemic? Everything else that we are talking about is utterly irrelevant if the public do not trust what we are telling them.
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Jim Fairlie
Tracey Brown said that the science that fed into the policy was restricted by the questions that politicians asked of scientists. This might be a question for Dr Phin. With regard to the whole trust issue, if I were a conspiracy theorist, hearing that would make me ask, “Are the politicians only asking the questions that they want the answers to?” Is it factually correct that scientists answer only the questions that politicians put to them and in the way that politicians put them?