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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 October 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I have been trying to make sure that that is the kind of relationship that we have built up over the course of this session. We want to do this with people, not to them. That is part of the process. The code has an important role to play in helping people to understand what they will be required to do. I hope that it is not taken as “Here is a stick—you must do this.” It is part of how we develop that relationship.

As I have said before, I think that the Scottish Government has done a very good job of building that relationship so that it is co-operative. I am sure that it would have been easier to have said, “There is the policy—get on with it.” The tens of thousands of words that James Muldoon was talking about are our opportunity to get a full understanding of how people feel about things—because how they feel about them is as important as the reality—and then to think about how we deliver a piece of work that they can buy in to. The whole point is to get people to buy in to it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

We are looking at nutrient management plans. I do not want to get into the technical aspects of each individual area at this stage. We will develop it: as I have said, the code of practice will be developed and laid before the Parliament long before the end of this year.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

It is in their best interests to work with us to go on this transition. As I said in my answers to the convener, the code is not mandatory, but farmers want to get on board with it and be part of the process.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I disagree, convener. As I said, there was a crofter on the whole farm plan steering group and there was a discussion about having exemptions based on size, but that idea was rejected by that group, on which the crofting community was represented. Conversations are being had and I am more than happy to continue having them, but I can assure you that it is definitely not a one-way street. I sit on ARIOB, and points of view are put across.

Rhoda Grant said to me that it is a one-size-fits-all policy, but it is not. The whole point of the plans is that they create an opportunity for people to get involved at any level, and they do not necessarily have to pay to get the points that they need in order to be part of that scheme—I do not mean points as in points 1, 2 and 3; I mean the bits that they are required to do. It is certainly not a one-way street and it is certainly not one size fits all.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

No. At the moment, the consideration has been that small producers and crofters have been feeding into the system. Donald MacKinnon sat on ARIOB, and he is part of the on-going conversations.

As I said, however, I recently received a letter from Donna Smith that outlined her concerns, and I have asked her to come and speak to me. We will work our way through all the concerns that she included in her letter, and I hope that I will be able to give her some comfort. I am just surprised that it has taken until this stage to get that letter. I would much rather have had it sooner, so that I could have had a fuller conversation before this committee meeting. However, I will endeavour to ensure that we have that conversation to allay some of the fears that she has laid out in her letter to me.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Okay.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Yes. I have given some written responses but, as I said, I am more than happy to sit down with Donna Smith to go through them.

An article in The Crofter magazine went through all the things that we are asking people to do and what those mean for the crofting community. A very positive response came back from that, because most of the things that we are asking crofters to do are—I am trying to think of the right words—simple, relatively easy and not cost burdensome.

The crofting community has the information. However, if Donna Smith wants to talk to me about it, we will have that conversation about how we make it as simple as possible.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Yes. As I said, Donald MacKinnon was part of the group that helped us to develop the legislation in the first place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

What do you mean?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

No, I cannot guarantee that that financial cost will be met. I can guarantee that there is help and support to ensure that the crofting community has the tools that it needs. As I have just stated, a lot of that is already free and the crofters can do it themselves.

I grant that this is anecdotal, but, as I have just recited, a crofter I know went to an RPID office. The staff did not fill out the form for that person but told them how to do it—they gave that help and advice. The support is available.

We are not trying to corral people or force them to do things that they do not want to do, but they have to be part of the system. Culturally, economically and community-wise, they are a vital part of what we are trying to do, so they have to be part of the system. That will allow us to ensure that we are recognised as one of the leaders in this area and, at the same time, ensures that those rural communities are supported. We will give that support.