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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Good morning to the panel. The ARIOB’s remit is to support policy reform and to

“cut emissions across agriculture ... support the production of sustainable, high quality food ... address the twin crises of climate and nature/loss of biodiversity”.

The minutes of your meetings highlight that you are discussing

“shaping conditionality ... data collection ... standardisation and baselining ... the capacity of advisory services ... payment methodologies for future agricultural support”.

You are doing all of that in a timescale that you think is too slow. Have you got too much on your plate?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I am hearing that there is general agreement across the board at a high level and that everybody agrees to the general principles, but where are the disagreements in real terms? Where are the details that are causing the difficulty, such that the process can be smooth if they are resolved?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Do you have specific research that you are looking at with regard to where the LFA policy should go? Is it based purely on rural depopulation—on keeping farmers where they are? Do you dispute the science that Vicki Swales would perhaps use?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Yes—it was the eye contact, Martin.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

So—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I would like the committee to invite the UK Government minister to come and address that question. However, are you as an organisation—I am asking the NFU here, given that the ARIOB will not be—speaking to the UK Government about getting an assurance about those payments?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have a supplementary question for Vicki Swales. It seems to me that that is where some of the tension is coming from. Farmers want to produce food and to do that sustainably, but other parts of the ARIOB are concerned about biodiversity and climate change. Where do you sit?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

[Inaudible.]

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Thank you, convener—you took me by surprise there.

There are key areas of uncertainty around future policy. Tim, you touched on the subject of data, and there is an issue around where the research gaps are. Martin, you seemed to be disagreeing with Vicki Swales when she was talking about the LFA side of things. What are the differences there as regards what the ARIOB should be doing? What areas of research is the ARIOB using to help to develop the policy?

I will start with you, Martin, as I have cited your comments on LFA. I will come to you after that, Vicki.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I will make one comment. It is not a question; it is a comment. What concerned me about the evidence that we got last week from the CCC was the use of the word “probably” in relation to reducing the amount of greenhouse gas that is being sequestered.

I have a question for Martin Kennedy. We are talking about uncertainty in future policy. You have said in the past that 97 per cent of the funding comes from the UK Government. If that stops in 2024 or if there is no certainty about it, where do you see us going?