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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Are you finished?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I reiterate the point that we are keen to make sure that we progress to a UK-wide database that will work in exactly the way that people want it to.

I am happy to speak to the member between now and stage 3, and to give any updates before stage 3, if there are any to give at that point.

I reiterate the point that we are very serious about trying to get this done. It is not something that we are just trying to brush off.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I thank Edward Mountain for explaining the purpose of amendment 59 and Rachael Hamilton for explaining the purpose of amendment 78. Those amendments are very similar, so I will give the Scottish Government’s views on them together.

Scottish Government officials are working with counterparts in the other UK Administrations to explore the potential for a single-point search portal for all microchip database operators across the UK, in order to provide transparency in obtaining relevant information when required. That work would incorporate the information that would be collected by the review that amendment 78 would require and could address the issue that is being raised. It is felt that resource would be better spent on working with other UK Administrations than on undertaking a review and producing a report. I therefore do not support amendments 59 and 78 and ask the members not to press them.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I have not had any formal discussions with the UK Government about a microchip database. However, I attended a meeting in London on Monday and had a conversation with Andrew Muir, the Northern Irish delegate for agriculture. We talked about the problem of puppies coming across from Larne and have begun a conversation about how the bill could help to inform a UK-wide approach to creating a database to allow us to get past that problem. We are taking it extremely seriously but, at this stage, because of the resources that would be needed, we would rather work UK-wide than set up a separate Scottish database.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Would you like to make your point now, too, Rachael?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I am, yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I thank Rhoda Grant for the explanation of the purpose of her amendments. The intention of the bill as introduced is recognised in the policy memorandum, which states that the intention is

“to achieve behavioural change, without placing formal legal obligations on the parties involved”.

There is a long-standing convention that codes of practice made under the Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006 generally use the word “must”, when there is a directly enforceable legal requirement to do something, which will not be the case under the bill. Therefore, the Scottish Government’s view is that amendments 64, 67, 68 and 70 are unnecessary and potentially misleading. I do not support the amendments and I ask the member not to press them.

Amendment 54 leaves out section 12, which is the interpretation section of the bill, because the effect of my other amendments is that all the definitions are either no longer used or are moved to sit in the operational sections to which they relate.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

The amendments in my name remove the specific questions from the bill, as suggested by the committee at stage 1. The broad themes underlying the questions will continue to be listed as things that a prospective acquirer should consider before acquiring a dog. However, we fully understand and share Christine Grahame’s desire to have the code and certificate written in simple and straightforward language that is easy for the public to understand. I give an assurance now that that is what we expect to be produced.

The suggestion in Ariane Burgess’s amendment 1 that identifying a veterinary practice could be included within the proposed code of practice is a good one, but that sort of detail should be left to be employed by officials and stakeholders as the code is developed. Therefore, I ask her not to press that amendment.

I move amendment 19.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I absolutely agree. I like the proposal as well. I might even go so far as to say that it should be both the acquirer and the seller who are notified about who the vet is.

I agree with everything that Ariane Burgess is saying. However, I think that the matter should be in the code, as part of the overall package of what we are trying to deliver. I am not trying to stifle the proposal, and I am more than happy to meet her between stage 2 and stage 3 in order to clarify that.