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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. I am sure that members will be keen to come back to you to explore the human impact of cybercrime. I will bring in Rona Mackay.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies this morning, and Katy Clark joins us online.
Our first agenda item is to consider whether to take items 4 and 5, which are a review of evidence and consideration of a draft report, in private. Are we agreed to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Our main item of business is an evidence session on the challenges facing business and vulnerable individuals in Scotland from the threat of cybercrime. The session will not cover elements of child exploitation, as the focus will be on businesses and individuals that are at risk of being targeted by cybercriminals.
As we are all aware, cybercrime is becoming more prevalent and sophisticated every year. Its victims are across our society and range from vulnerable individuals to small, medium and large-scale business, as well as public and voluntary sector bodies. The aim of this session is to inform parliamentary debate on the issue by hearing from those who are at the coalface of responding to cybercrime. I hope that we will gain insights into the methods and impacts of cybercrime, what we are likely to face in the coming years, and what more the Parliament and Government can do to help to keep Scotland safe from that threat.
I am pleased to welcome our witnesses. We are joined by Adam Stachura, associate director of policy, communications and external affairs at Age Scotland; David Keenan, chief information officer at Arnold Clark; Jude McCorry, chief executive of the Cyber and Fraud Centre Scotland; Nicola Taylor, member of the CyberScotland Partnership; Miles Bonfield, deputy director at the National Crime Agency; Chris Ulliott, head of cybersecurity at NatWest; and Assistant Chief Constable Stuart Houston, who is with Police Scotland’s organised crime and counterterrorism intelligence division.
I refer members to papers 1 and 2 and thank all the organisations that provided us with written evidence in advance of our meeting. I intend to allow up to two hours for the session.
I begin with a general question to get us started. For ease, I will ask Jude McCorry to respond first. I will then go to Miles Bonfield and ACC Stuart Houston to set the scene. Cybercrime is a vast topic, and we probably all know someone who has been targeted or who works in an organisation that has been affected. What are the most significant risks facing individuals such as the elderly or vulnerable people? What are the most significant risks for businesses? How might cybercrime develop in the coming years?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Those are fascinating and eye-watering numbers.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Does Miles Bonfield want to kick off on that?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
The correspondence from the minister outlines an update on secure accommodation contingency planning and ensuring capacity, and details some of the work. You are right that that is one of the key areas for this committee—we should be provided with updates and follow the developments.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
We will draw the session to a close there. We have gone just a little bit over time; I am sure that we could spend another hour throwing questions at the witnesses. The session has been very interesting, and we are grateful to you all for your time. I thank you all for joining us this morning.
I suspend the meeting for 10 minutes.
12:08 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Yes—it is a very difficult one.
I see that Miles Bonfield wants to come in.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Does David Keenan want to add anything?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Before we move into private session, I remind members that our next meeting will be on Wednesday 21 May and our main item of business will be to hear from a public petitioner, alongside other witnesses, on the issue of making non-fatal strangulation a standalone criminal offence in Scotland.
12:27 Meeting continued in private until 12:56.