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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I am pleased to welcome our second panel of witnesses. Dr Emma Forbes is national lead for domestic abuse at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Liliana Torres Jiménez is criminal policy executive and secretary of the criminal law committee of the Law Society of Scotland; and Detective Superintendent Adam Brown is from Police Scotland. We also have Detective Superintendent Lindsay Fisher, of the public protection branch of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, who joins us remotely from Belfast. I extend a warm welcome to you all and thank you very much for your time this morning. I intend to allow about 75 minutes for this panel, although we may have to make it slightly shorter.
I am aware that we have one or two technical issues so, to answer my first question, I will bring in Detective Superintendent Fisher first and then come back to the witnesses in the room. I open with the same question that I asked the first panel. How should we best tackle non-fatal strangulation in Scotland? Are the legal framework and the powers that are available to the police adequate?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Before I hand over to Liam Kerr, I give the usual reminder to keep questions and answers succinct, because there is a great deal of interest in the issue.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Fulton MacGregor, do you want to come in or are you happy with what you have heard?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. That is really helpful.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning, and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies this morning.
Under our first item of business, do we agree to take item 3 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. Before I bring in other members, I have a follow-on question for Professor White. You have described some of the impacts very powerfully. Would there be some value in considering aspects of that as part of more consistent and more effective data recording on non-fatal strangulation? We are aware that there is currently an issue with a lack of data and data recording, and I think that we all agree that improvements are needed in that area. How important is it to incorporate into that data collection process some of the impacts of non-fatal strangulation that you have described?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. We have about 25 minutes left, as we will have to close the session at 12.20. As a number of members still want to come in, I ask for succinct questions and answers so that everyone can ask their questions.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring in Katy and then come back to you, Fulton, if you still want to ask a question.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring in Liam Kerr to bring the evidence session to a close with a final question, but, before I do so, I note that I have to leave in a few minutes to attend another commitment. I do not want to curtail the evidence session, because this is a really important discussion, so I will hand over to Liam, our deputy convener, to convene the rest of the meeting.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
That brings us up to time. I thank our witnesses for their contributions, which have given us a really helpful insight into the issue.
It goes without saying that people who have been watching this evidence session might be affected by what has been discussed. I remind everyone that the EmilyTest website, which can be found at www.emilytest.org, includes guidance and training material and is a very useful resource for people to access.
I again thank our panel members. We will have a short suspension for around 10 minutes for a comfort break and a changeover of witnesses.
11:02 Meeting suspended.