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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
That will be published shortly. We will have another short suspension to allow for a changeover of witnesses.
10:58 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring in Jo Phoenix, as I think that she wants to respond—I ask you to be brief, Jo.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that. My second question touches on orders of lifelong restriction, about which the committee has been in correspondence with you in the past. Indeed, your letter of 2 October indicates that you note that the individuals serving an order of lifelong restriction are excluded from the early release scheme, as you set out earlier. We are aware that, as of April this year, 277 people were serving OLRs, with 224 being past the punishment part but only 14 having been released.
Given recent commentary from the Scottish Human Rights Commission and Lady Poole’s recent judgment highlighting the importance of access to rehabilitation, can you provide a response or some reassurance that all those who are on an OLR continue to present a risk to the public or are assessed as continuing to present a risk to the public and that no individuals are being held back just by virtue of the delays that we are experiencing across the prison estate?
09:45Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I am conscious of the time, so I will open up questions to committee members.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
It was fascinating and very helpful but, again, I urge succinct responses, if that is possible.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Emergency release—in particular, the release process that we are discussing today—places significant additional pressures on local services. Cabinet secretary, in your opening statement, you alluded to the additional pressures that it places on local authorities, health services and the third sector. Obviously, they will be familiar with previous emergency release processes. However, are you able to reassure us that local services will be supported to manage the next lot of releases, should the proposed provisions be agreed to today? If those services require additional resource or assistance, will that be forthcoming?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
There will be a division.
For
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Mackay, Rona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Nicoll, Audrey (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Against
Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con)
Kerr, Liam (North East Scotland) (Con)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
The report will be published shortly.
I now turn to the Prisons and Young Offenders Institution (Scotland) Amendment Rules 2025. If members have no comments to make on the instrument, are they content for it to come into force?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
We will now have a short suspension in order to change over witnesses.
10:44 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much indeed.