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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. If your questions are finished, I will move on. Louise Stevenson and Peter Krykant are keen to come in, but I ask them to be brief.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

You are very welcome.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Becky Wood—as briefly as possible, please—followed by Superintendent Conway.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Item 2 is the next in a short series of round-table discussions. We will look at the misuse of drugs and the criminal justice system, and I refer members to papers 1 to 3.

I welcome our panel of witnesses: Mr Anthony McGeehan, procurator fiscal, policy and engagement, from the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Mr Peter Krykant, activist and campaigner; Natalie Logan MacLean, chief executive officer at Sustainable Interventions Supporting Change Outside; Superintendent Norman Conway from Police Scotland; Leeanne Hughes, Shine programme mentor, and Louise Stevenson, lived experience participant, Sacro; Neil Richardson OBE, vice-chair, and Becky Wood, lived/living experience representative, from the Scottish Drug Deaths Taskforce; and Mr David Liddell, chief executive officer at the Scottish Drugs Forum. We appreciate the time that you are taking to join us. Thank you for your written submissions, which are available online.

I intend to allow about two hours for the discussion. I ask members to please indicate which witness they are directing remarks to. We can then open the floor to other witnesses for comments. If other witnesses wish to respond, I ask them to indicate that to me or the clerks and I will bring them in if time permits. If a witness merely agrees with what another witness says, there is no need to intervene to say so. You can let us know that you want to speak by typing the letter R in the chat box. I ask members and our invited guests to keep questions and comments as succinct as possible, please.

I will open the discussion with a fairly general question for Peter Krykant, Louise Stevenson, Natalie Logan MacLean and then Becky Wood. To the extent that you want to share this with us, will you tell us about your experience and about how we deal with drugs misuse in the criminal justice system? How has that impacted on you? How accessible is support to give people a route to recovery from drug misuse and addiction?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring you in briefly, Natalie, then I will move the discussion on. Before we round the session off at 12.30, I want to cover drugs in prisons and naloxone.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I am conscious of time so I will move the session on. It has been a very helpful discussion. We will now look at issues to do with drugs in prisons, which a number of members want to focus on. I will come back to Pauline McNeill, who is interested in picking up on this, then I will bring in Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I think that Natalie Logan MacLean and David Liddell want to come in.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Peter, would you like to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Our last area of discussion is on issues around naloxone and I ask Superintendent Conway for a couple of comments. The Police Scotland submission on the current test of change for naloxone was helpful and provided an update. I am aware that the process has not yet concluded, but it was helpful to understand a bit about how that wider programme will support issues around awareness of stigma and greater involvement in change within Police Scotland. One of the comments in the submission relates to public perceptions of the carrying of naloxone by police officers, which have generally been very positive. How important is that community consensus and support? Will you also say a little about some concerns that have been raised by the Scottish Police Federation about police officers carrying and using naloxone, bearing in mind that the carrying of naloxone is voluntary?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Before I bring in Fulton MacGregor, I invite Becky Wood to make a couple of points. It would be helpful if they could be brief.