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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
As members have no more questions, I thank all our witnesses for attending.
We will take a short break to allow for a changeover of witnesses.
12:09 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I anticipated some questioning on conducting court business by electronic means, so I will bring in Rona Mackay.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I am watching the time, so we will now move to questions on time limits and then come back to the issue of early release. I call Jamie Greene.
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. Local government financial returns for 2020 show that Aberdeen has the highest debt level per head of population in Scotland. For every Aberdeen resident, that stands at £4,954. West Dunbartonshire is the council with the next highest level of debt per head of population.
Local government funding is vital to ensure the delivery of front-line services, and debt is a normal aspect of funding arrangements. However, debt must be not only serviced but repaid. Does the minister agree that it is vital that local authorities exercise prudent and responsible management of budgets to prioritise the delivery of key services over tempting big spending opportunities?
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I begin by offering my condolences to Milly Main’s family for the circumstances that have led us here, and expressing my admiration for the courage and determination of Milly’s mother, Kimberly, over the past five years. I, too, extend my thanks to all public sector staff who are committed to looking after and supporting the people of Scotland who they care for every day.
Milly’s tragic death at the Queen Elizabeth university hospital in 2017 and the circumstances of the subsequent investigation were, I am sure, a distressing time for her family, friends and community. Milly’s story may not be an isolated one but, through the hard work of Kimberly and others, it is one that will lead to change. I welcome the debate and I hope that the potential introduction of Milly’s law will help to ensure that such failings never happen again but that, whenever they do happen, the families who are impacted are supported to establish the truth. Milly’s law proposes positive change in how our public sector deals with institutional failings, and I commend the work and persistence of Anas Sarwar in highlighting the issue.
As convener of the Criminal Justice Committee, I, with my colleagues, have listened to many professionals, experts and others on the challenges faced by ordinary people who seek support from and answers within the criminal justice system. However, for some, navigating that system is almost as traumatising as the incident that took them there in the first place. Their testimonies have demonstrated why it is so important that, when people feel let down or failings happen, lessons are learned and corrective action is taken to ensure that lasting improvements are made.
I welcome the opportunity that Milly’s law can bring to bereaved families, and, in particular, the establishment of the patient safety commissioner, which will enhance and complement the work of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman and will ensure that the voices of the people using our health services are heard and their concerns are acted on. Opportunities to improve what can be a reactive system offer much-needed help and support to families in their time of need. They can also ensure a timelier recognition of issues, helping to drive forward continuous improvements in patient safety.
Turning to the matter of a duty of candour, I very much welcome the introduction of legislation that creates a requirement for all care providers, including health boards, to review certain types of adverse events and to meet personally with those affected, to apologise and to meaningfully involve them in a review of what happened. I hope that that will mean that, in future, families get answers more quickly and in a way that perhaps makes them feel less alienated from the process.
Finally, on a related issue, I welcome the Scottish Government’s commitment to consult on legislative proposals later this year, with a view to delivering new laws that will improve transparency and further strengthen public confidence in the police. It is in the interests of Police Scotland and of the wider public that we ensure that the systems for investigating complaints and failings are as robust and transparent as possible.
In conclusion, I commend the work that has been done to date around the proposals for Milly’s law, and I hope that it will result in tangible improvements in the way that our public sector deals with bereavements and institutional failings in the future.
I also commend Kimberly for her work, her commitment both to Milly and to this important campaign, and for reminding us all that there is nothing as powerful as a mother’s love.
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 3 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
[Inaudible.]—clarify the ways in which the requirement for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria has become increasingly recognised as outdated and should no longer be considered as a mental disorder?
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 3 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
In his statement, the cabinet secretary mentioned that, in the prison environment, the LS/CMI tool is used as one of a range of risk assessment tools. Will the cabinet secretary expand on what other risk assessment processes are working alongside that system?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. I will leave it there and hand back to the convener.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I want to follow on from Jamie Greene’s line of questioning. I am very concerned about the provisions in the bill on the proposed extension of time limits, particularly in the current context of remand, which Jamie has just highlighted.
I want to pick up on Stuart Murray’s previous points about virtual court proceedings. I think that we agree that there is benefit from a virtual option to expedite court proceedings, without it being at the expense of their quality. Perhaps virtual proceedings have their place in helping to reduce the backlog by allowing cases to be processed in a more timely manner.
On one hand, you expressed some concern about virtual court proceedings as an option. On the other hand, in the circumstances that we face post-Covid, are they a legitimate option in the court process, particularly in the context of avoiding extended timescales for court proceedings to be undertaken and completed, thereby potentially avoiding the necessity for time limits to be extended permanently?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 March 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that. Does Vicki Bell want to add anything to that response? I am aware that colleagues also want to ask questions around time limits.