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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I know that we are just slightly over time, but we will probably not have the opportunity to have such a large amount of expertise in the room again, so I will shamelessly take advantage of that.

I have a final question, about ransomware; Pauline McNeill touched on that a moment ago. For a business, what are the pros and cons of paying a ransom versus not paying it? I note that David Keenan’s business presumably had to ask itself that question—you may not wish to pick up on that, David. Nevertheless, are there things that businesses need to consider in dealing with that awful dilemma?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We have carried out our crime prevention duty for the day. [Laughter.]

I will stay with David Keenan, and I might bring in Chris Ulliott. I made a point earlier about the emotional impact, particularly on your workforce, David, of the entire disruption, and not just on the service that you offer through your business. Was there a feeling across your staff body of being targeted, or of being a little bit vulnerable?

I am very interested in how being attacked in such a hard way impacted your workforce. It is something that we perhaps overlook—we talk about our older population and protecting young people but I am interested in how such attacks impact people who work in an organisation, including, for that matter, Marks and Spencer.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is really helpful scene setting. We have two representatives with us who have been at the sharp end of cybercrime: Mr Keenan and Chris Ulliott. Before I open up to members’ questions, I will bring both of them in. I am not necessarily asking you to talk about the detail of what happened, but I am interested in the impact on your respective organisations of being targeted.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Liam Kerr has a follow-up question to one of Ben Macpherson’s questions.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is fascinating. Thank you.

11:00  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Does Miles Bonfield want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Rona Mackay, do you want to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. There was a lot in there.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Would Nicola Taylor like to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Nicola, would you like to come in?