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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Item 2 is the next in a short series of round-table discussions. We will look at the misuse of drugs and the criminal justice system, and I refer members to papers 1 to 3.

I welcome our panel of witnesses: Mr Anthony McGeehan, procurator fiscal, policy and engagement, from the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Mr Peter Krykant, activist and campaigner; Natalie Logan MacLean, chief executive officer at Sustainable Interventions Supporting Change Outside; Superintendent Norman Conway from Police Scotland; Leeanne Hughes, Shine programme mentor, and Louise Stevenson, lived experience participant, Sacro; Neil Richardson OBE, vice-chair, and Becky Wood, lived/living experience representative, from the Scottish Drug Deaths Taskforce; and Mr David Liddell, chief executive officer at the Scottish Drugs Forum. We appreciate the time that you are taking to join us. Thank you for your written submissions, which are available online.

I intend to allow about two hours for the discussion. I ask members to please indicate which witness they are directing remarks to. We can then open the floor to other witnesses for comments. If other witnesses wish to respond, I ask them to indicate that to me or the clerks and I will bring them in if time permits. If a witness merely agrees with what another witness says, there is no need to intervene to say so. You can let us know that you want to speak by typing the letter R in the chat box. I ask members and our invited guests to keep questions and comments as succinct as possible, please.

I will open the discussion with a fairly general question for Peter Krykant, Louise Stevenson, Natalie Logan MacLean and then Becky Wood. To the extent that you want to share this with us, will you tell us about your experience and about how we deal with drugs misuse in the criminal justice system? How has that impacted on you? How accessible is support to give people a route to recovery from drug misuse and addiction?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, Natalie. A number of members would like to come in with questions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Fulton MacGregor, and then Louise Stevenson, who I know is keen to come in.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Louise Stevenson, as she was keen to come in. Perhaps she would like to respond to that question, and then go back to the point that she wanted to make earlier.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I think that Becky Wood and Louise Stevenson are keen to come back in, but I would like to bring in Collette Stevenson so that all members have had an opportunity to ask questions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, Peter. I am sure that we all extend our condolences on the death of your family member. I can only imagine that it is a really difficult time for you, so we appreciate your contribution.

I am aware of the time, so I will open up the issues that we have been exploring this morning to the other witnesses, who have been waiting patiently. Would any of you like to comment on some of the issues that have been raised so far? Mr Liddell, you have indicated that you would like to comment.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, Louise. I think that we understand and appreciate that that issue of relationships is important.

I thank everyone for their comments on that subject, which have been insightful and informative. We will move on to look at the supply of drugs and links with serious organised crime, starting with a question from Russell Findlay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, Louise.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that, Peter.

The next theme is policing and prosecution. We will look at the issues around decision making for prosecution and the response to the Scottish Drug Deaths Taskforce recommendations that were made earlier this year around zero tolerance and other issues.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Collette Stevenson, Katy Clark and then Pauline McNeill.