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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much. John Thomson, would you like to follow up on that opening statement?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
On staffing numbers, we heard earlier from Police Scotland witnesses, who predicted that there would have to be a cut of around 4,500 staff over five years to service a 5 per cent pay award. Have you done any modelling that would allow you to consider the implications of a similar pay award?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Before I bring in Russell Findlay, I want to come back to the issue of where you make the cuts and how you configure that across your service provision. During Covid, fire death numbers increased, and I think that I am right in saying that there was a correlation between that increase and areas of deprivation.
Does that mean that you would have to think carefully and perhaps even use modelling or data to inform in a geographical context where and how you make the cuts? I hope that I am not straying too much from budget but, as Jamie Greene said, how those cuts might look is important in relation to public confidence.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Before I bring in Pauline McNeill, does Jamie Greene want to come in?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Yes.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring in Pauline McNeill, then Jamie Green wants to come back in, I think.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring in Jamie Greene, then Collette Stevenson.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Katy Clark was interested in asking about non-warranted staff—unless your question has already been asked.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I welcome our second panel of witnesses, who are from the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service: Ross Haggart is interim chief officer; Stuart Stevens is interim deputy chief officer; and John Thomson is acting director of finance and procurement. Mr Haggart will make a short opening statement.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Time is against us and I would like to draw the evidence-taking session to a close. There has been some helpful discussion. I will ask one final question in follow-up to the discussion about body-worn cameras, kit and resources that Russell Findlay brought up.
The IT refresh plan that you spoke about earlier is a critical organisational requirement. I am interested to know whether the potential cuts will impact on progress with that plan, in areas such as the on-going mobile phone data triage work and the photo lab. Are there implications for that operational delivery?