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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 January 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

In that case, I will bring in Rona Mackay, who has a follow-up question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Rhoda MacLeod wants to come in on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I wonder whether I can just come in with a question. Linda Pollock talked about the importance of relationships, and the critical role of the relationship between a prisoner and a prison officer or a member of staff has come up throughout the inquiry. However, we have heard in evidence about the disruptive nature of prison transfers. We understand the reasons for transfers, but they can have unintended consequences and the potential to disrupt relationships that are working well. Is that something that you are aware of? Are there ways in which transfers can be kept to a minimum and the benefit of relationships can be considered when a transfer is being proposed?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We understand the geographical model of the prison estate, and the fact that people from the north-east will end up in HMP Grampian, for example. We heard a counterargument from some prisoners about the benefit of being accommodated in a prison that is outwith their home area. That is perhaps to do with family complexities, family breakdown and some of the dynamics that can be difficult for a prisoner. It is interesting to hear that that can be considered in the transfer policy.

11:45  

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It is helpful to understand that. There might be a delay, but it is not insurmountable, if you like.

I want to finish up with a couple of questions, and the first comes back to the focused day model. When we kicked off our meeting, Linda Pollock outlined where the focused day was going. To be a bit daft lassie, could you explain the terminology around regime and roster operational review? For the clarity of members, what does that mean?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Will that still mean that there is a likelihood that prisoners will be locked up for longer? Even though you are looking at how you can maximise the effectiveness of your staff deployment, is there still a risk that, inevitably, people will be locked up for longer than you would want?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I have a final question about the MAT standards before I bring in Rona Mackay. Rhoda, the alcohol and drug recovery strategy rightly states that the implementation of MAT standards in prisons is a priority, with the aim, as I understand it, that that will be completed by April next year. We have heard evidence that that is quite an ambitious target, so I am interested in your view on whether that is realistic.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Rona Mackay, do you want to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

There are no more questions from members and I do not see any of the panel members asking to say to say anything in conclusion. I thank everyone for their contributions to a really interesting meeting.

I suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow the panel members to leave before we consider a negative Scottish statutory instrument in public and then finally move into private session.

11:54 Meeting suspended.  

12:03 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That brings the public part of the meeting to a close. Next week, we will continue to take evidence as part of our inquiry into the harm caused by substance misuse in Scottish prisons.

12:04 Meeting continued in private until 12:50.