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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2023 of the Criminal Justice Committee. There are no apologies this morning. Our first item of business is consideration of the Scottish Prison Service’s urgent case review and the housing of transgender prisoners. I refer members to paper 1.

I intend to allow around 45 minutes for this session, after any opening statements. I welcome Keith Brown, Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans, Mr Neil Rennick, director of justice at the Scottish Government, and Ms Teresa Medhurst, chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service.

I invite Ms Medhurst to make some brief opening remarks, followed by the cabinet secretary.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I thank John Watt of the Parole Board for the briefing that he provided to committee members, as it was helpful in informing today’s debate.

Criminal Justice Committee

Priorities in the Justice Sector and an Action Plan

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I agree. That is a helpful suggestion.

Criminal Justice Committee

Access to Court Transcripts

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I concur with the comments that members have made.

To pull things together, I propose that we write to the cabinet secretary to ask for more detail on the scope of the new contract and to ask why that detail could not have been provided earlier, as Jamie Greene pointed out.

There is scope for us to build more of a case around the provision of transcripts for those who seek copies. It might also be helpful if we were to ask, for example, Scottish Women’s Aid and Rape Crisis Scotland—which will be interested and following the matter—for an update on how easy or challenging it currently is for individuals to obtain copies of transcripts. Is there still a significant cost or has anything changed in that regard? It would perhaps be helpful for us to get some insight into that.

Are members happy with that proposal?

Criminal Justice Committee

Priorities in the Justice Sector and an Action Plan

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

That is noted. We can follow that up to get an up-to-date position on that.

If there is nothing else, we will bring this item to a close. If members want to make additional comments on the action plan, I am happy for you to link directly with the clerks—if it is more of a technical update. I appreciate that we have worked through that quite quickly.

We will return to our action plan later in the year to see what further progress is being made to deliver on the recommendations and actions that we have set out.

Criminal Justice Committee

Virtual Trials

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks for that. I still propose that we note the discussion today and that we await the introduction of the forthcoming criminal justice reform bill. I note Jamie Greene’s comments and his preference, but if committee members are agreed, I propose that we note the discussion.

Criminal Justice Committee

Priorities in the Justice Sector and an Action Plan

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I am conscious of the time, and we still have a number of agenda items to work through. We will circle back to the section on the misuse of drugs, which starts on page 17. There are no particular updates or additions to that, so I move us swiftly on to the next section, which starts on page 23 and is on violence against women and girls. If there is nothing that members wish to highlight on that, the next section is on victims’ rights and victim support, which begins on page 28.

Criminal Justice Committee

Priorities in the Justice Sector and an Action Plan

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I totally agree with that. Quite a lot is coming out of our discussion, so the clerks will update the action plan accordingly on our behalf. If members want to make any technical additions to the action plan, I am happy for them to contact the clerks direct with those updates.

The next section is on reducing youth offending. It begins at page 32.

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Rona Mackay has a supplementary question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Transgender Prisoners and Scottish Prisons

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Finally, I bring in Pauline McNeill.