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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
There is a lot to cover. In the spirit of time keeping, I will bring in Wendy Sinclair-Gieben.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
So, the panel broadly welcomes the bill as a fairly good start, but with some caveats. On that note, I will move straight to members’ questions.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I want to pick up on a point that Lorraine Johnstone made earlier. Lorraine, you said that secure care centres could potentially accommodate young offenders who have done something serious, but that restructuring and training would be needed. Are you aware of whether there has been any of that, or have you had any engagement with the Scottish Government about the potential for it and what additional resources would be necessary?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I thank Linda Allan very much for coming along to today’s meeting. We appreciate your time.
There will be a short suspension while we change witnesses.
10:56 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
If you are quick.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
That is nice and succinct.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you.
I will come to Linda Allan. The committee is aware of the traumatic experience that you have had with the criminal justice system, Linda. Are you able to articulate that experience to committee members and say how it has brought you to the work that you are undertaking now?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Before I bring in Rona Mackay, I would like to let members and witnesses know that I can extend the session. We are covering a lot of important ground, and I am keen that as many questions and responses as possible can be heard. On that basis, assuming that our witnesses are able to stay a little bit longer if required, I will extend the session. If need be, we will reschedule our final agenda item to just after Easter recess. I take it that that is acceptable.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I remind members to make sure that our lines of questioning are not about a specific case but about the bill.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I warmly welcome Jim Shields, service manager, and Professor Lorraine Johnstone, consultant forensic and clinical psychologist, St Mary’s Kenmure secure care centre; Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, HM chief inspector of prisons for Scotland; Gerald Michie, governor at His Majesty’s Young Offenders Institution Polmont, and Sue Brookes, interim director for strategy and stakeholder engagement, the Scottish Prison Service; and Alison Bavidge, national director of the Scottish Association of Social Work.
I intend to allow about an hour for this session so, up front, I ask for questions and responses to be as succinct as possible, so that we can get in as many questions as possible.
We move directly to the questions. I will open things up with a general question for each of you. From your organisation’s perspective, will you briefly give a view on the provisions in the bill that set at 18 the cut-off point under which children will not enter the criminal justice system, and on whether that is appropriate? I will go from my left to my right, starting with Sue Brookes.