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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is to consider an affirmative Scottish statutory instrument. I refer members to paper 1. The instrument specifies the appointed day for the coming into effect of the code of practice that has been prepared by the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner under section 7 of the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Act 2020. I welcome Keith Brown, Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans, and his officials Ms Elaine Hamilton, forensics policy team leader, and Mr David Scott, policy manager, both from the Scottish Government’s police: workforce, equality and forensics department.
I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement on the SSI.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
That concludes our consideration of the SSI. I thank the cabinet secretary for attending. We will have a short suspension to allow the cabinet secretary and his colleagues to leave.
09:36 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much. John Thomson, would you like to follow up on that opening statement?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
On staffing numbers, we heard earlier from Police Scotland witnesses, who predicted that there would have to be a cut of around 4,500 staff over five years to service a 5 per cent pay award. Have you done any modelling that would allow you to consider the implications of a similar pay award?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Before I bring in Russell Findlay, I want to come back to the issue of where you make the cuts and how you configure that across your service provision. During Covid, fire death numbers increased, and I think that I am right in saying that there was a correlation between that increase and areas of deprivation.
Does that mean that you would have to think carefully and perhaps even use modelling or data to inform in a geographical context where and how you make the cuts? I hope that I am not straying too much from budget but, as Jamie Greene said, how those cuts might look is important in relation to public confidence.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Before I bring in Pauline McNeill, does Jamie Greene want to come in?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Yes.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much. I think that members will have follow-up questions on that opening topic, but I will first bring in Lynn Brown and James Gray.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
We will have a short suspension to allow for a change of witnesses.
09:37 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 26 October 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Agenda item 6 is a discussion of recent correspondence that the committee has received. I refer members to paper 5. The clerks have made some suggestions about how we might want to take the various issues forward, but ultimately the decision on what action to take is for us.
I will take each of the letters in turn. With regard to the first letter, which is from Police Scotland and relates to the use of cyberkiosks, do members have anything that they want to raise? If not, are we happy to agree the recommendation that has been made?
Members indicated agreement.