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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Okay. I will bring you in later. I now bring in Russell Findlay, then I will come in with some questions about efficiencies.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2022 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies for this morning’s meeting.
Our first item of business is pre-budget scrutiny of the Scottish Government’s forthcoming budget for 2023-24. I refer members to papers 1, 2 and 3. I welcome to the meeting Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, who is His Majesty’s chief inspector of prisons for Scotland.
We will move straight to questions and I will open with a general question. What are your overarching thoughts on the implications of a potential flat cash resource settlement for the next few financial years?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
My next question is similarly overarching, but it is specifically about the implications for the capital budget. I am interested to get a general overview from your perspective of current and future budgets for the Prison Service.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring in Katy Clark, who will pick up on the private prisons aspects.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Does Jamie Greene want to come in on that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much indeed. Does anyone else want to come in?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
You have given some stark evidence there. I will hand over to committee members who have questions.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is to review the evidence that has been submitted to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill and to decide whether we wish to take further evidence. For example, one of our options is to schedule a one-off evidence session on the criminal justice-related provisions of the bill. I refer members to paper 4.
Do members have any comments on the proposal to run an evidence session? Do you agree that that would be appropriate?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I will come in now with questions about efficiencies. What are your views on whether the Scottish Prison Service has scope to put efficiency savings and measures in place? Those could be through, for example, investment in alternatives to custody, which we have already discussed, or spend-to-save projects.
You indicated that you are very sighted on current research on prisons in Scotland, so could you give us your views on whether efficiency savings might not be only about saving money, but could be an opportunity to enhance Scotland’s prison estate and bring in some contemporary practice?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2022
Audrey Nicoll
I will just bring the session to a close—