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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item is our third evidence session on reducing drug deaths in Scotland and tackling problem drug use. I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

I welcome to the meeting Angela Constance, Minister for Drugs Policy, and her Scottish Government officials: Orlando Heijmer-Mason, deputy director for drugs policy; and Roz Currie, team leader with the Drug Deaths Taskforce response. Thank you very much indeed, minister and colleagues, for joining us—and for forgoing your opportunity to make some opening remarks, minister. We will therefore move straight to questions.

I will jump straight in, if I may. First, thank you for keeping the committees informed about the development of the national mission plan and the oversight group, and for keeping the Parliament updated on a range of developments relating to drug deaths, the medication-assisted treatment standards, substance misuse and the justice system, and other areas of on-going work.

I will open up the evidence session with a couple of questions on alcohol and drug partnerships. The “Changing Lives” report sets out some of the challenges experienced by specific populations, including women and young people. I was disturbed to understand the correlation between deaths of

“women with substance use problems that occur in the perinatal period”

and

“child protection proceedings or having their child taken into care.”

On young people, the report says:

“Drug-related deaths among young people (under 25 years) have risen sharply in recent years.”

Related to that particular issue, action 30 outlines how

“ADPs and services must ensure specific pathways are developed to ensure young people can access the support they need when they need it.”

As a former member of the Aberdeen City ADP, I would be interested to hear any update that you can provide on action 29, relating to pathways for women, and action 30, relating to young people. Specifically, I would like to know about the progress being made by ADPs in developing local pathways to services and support, given their crucial role in ultimately reducing drug harm and drug death numbers.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much, minister. I will not ask questions on it just now, but that relates to how important lived and living experience will be in informing specific areas of work. Other members will touch on that later.

I open up the meeting to questions from members, starting with Alex Cole-Hamilton.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I call Natalie Don, after whom I will bring in Paul O’Kane.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Sue Webber has a follow-up question, then I will bring in Alex Cole-Hamilton.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring Sue Webber back in to pick up some questions around early intervention, and then we will move on.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I ask for a succinct answer. We still have a number of questions and about 15 minutes left.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Time is against us, so I have to bring our meeting to a close. I know that members will have some questions outstanding, so we will write to the minister with follow-up points, if members would like.

I say a big thank you, minister, for what has been a really interesting and helpful session. I thank your officials, as well. I close the public part of our meeting.

09:55 Meeting continued in private until 09:59.  

Meeting of the Parliament

National Drugs Mission

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

In the context of the factors that are stigmatising for people, as Katy Clark has described, does she agree that one of the most stigmatising is the current misuse of drugs legislation, which is now more than 50 years old and which has been shown to have failed over those 50 years? Indeed, it frequently pushes people back into a cycle of offending and, as she said, impacts the most vulnerable people in communities.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee: Joint Committee

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

We move on to questions on the national stigma action plan.