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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Audrey Nicoll

It might also go back to our earlier discussion on individualised placement and risk assessment. There are some caveats to what you have clearly articulated, given some of the evidence that previous witnesses shared with us on the need to consider the individual’s maturity and other factors when considering placement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Access to Court Transcripts

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Audrey Nicoll

That is a good suggestion.

As no one else has any comments, members will note that there is a suggestion in the paper about our follow-up action. I think that we all very much welcome the moves to explore the possibility of a pilot to support access to transcripts for complainers in sexual offences cases.

I want to highlight whether it would be feasible for the delivery of a pilot to be incorporated into the committee’s stage 1 consideration of the victims, witnesses and justice reform bill, which is due to be introduced shortly. As Rona Mackay has rightly flagged, we can share correspondence appropriately with external organisations.

Criminal Justice Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of evidence on the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Angela Constance, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs; Natalie Don, the Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise; and, from the Scottish Government, Catriona Dalrymple, who is the deputy director of community justice, Tom McNamara, who is the head of youth justice and children’s hearings, and Barry McCaffrey, who is a lawyer. We give a warm welcome to you all.

I take this opportunity to welcome both ministers to their new roles and to thank the former cabinet secretary, Keith Brown, for his engagement with the committee over recent years.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for this evidence session. On that note, I invite the cabinet secretary and/or the minister to make some brief opening remarks.

Criminal Justice Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much, minister. As usual, I will start the questions and then bring in members.

Minister, in your opening remarks, you mentioned some of the witnesses who we have already heard from and some of the very helpful evidence that we have heard. I will start by looking at the issues around age. One of the main provisions of the bill is that people under the age of 18 are no longer placed in a YOI or prison. The committee heard evidence from a range of witnesses that there should perhaps be more scope for an individualised assessment process to determine whether and where a child or young person should be detained. That would be based on factors such as their development, maturity and, perhaps, their neurological development. Aside from the issue around resources, are there any other particular barriers to being able to provide an individualised assessment process for children who are entering the criminal justice system and, potentially, a secure environment?

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Audrey Nicoll

What the Tories continually miss is that, in Scotland, we are committed to supporting active farming and food production. However, farming will have to adapt if we are to meet our net zero targets, and, indeed, farmers have the skills to do that. I ask the minister for examples of good practice that would see farmers become eligible under each of the tiers.

Meeting of the Parliament

Urgent Questions

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I, too, welcome the cabinet secretary to her new role.

I recognise that the call-handling system in question is a legacy service that was permanently deleted in 2015. However, as the new cabinet secretary has just alluded to, that will be of little comfort to those people who have been personally affected by the revelations.

As the cabinet secretary takes on her new post, what steps will the Scottish Government take to ensure transparency, maintain public confidence and build increased public trust in policing?

Criminal Justice Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I thank Linda Allan very much for coming along to today’s meeting. We appreciate your time.

There will be a short suspension while we change witnesses.

10:56 Meeting suspended.  

11:01 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Audrey Nicoll

So, the panel broadly welcomes the bill as a fairly good start, but with some caveats. On that note, I will move straight to members’ questions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I want to pick up on a point that Lorraine Johnstone made earlier. Lorraine, you said that secure care centres could potentially accommodate young offenders who have done something serious, but that restructuring and training would be needed. Are you aware of whether there has been any of that, or have you had any engagement with the Scottish Government about the potential for it and what additional resources would be necessary?

Criminal Justice Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Audrey Nicoll

There is a lot to cover. In the spirit of time keeping, I will bring in Wendy Sinclair-Gieben.