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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 April 2023
Audrey Nicoll
That is a good suggestion.
As no one else has any comments, members will note that there is a suggestion in the paper about our follow-up action. I think that we all very much welcome the moves to explore the possibility of a pilot to support access to transcripts for complainers in sexual offences cases.
I want to highlight whether it would be feasible for the delivery of a pilot to be incorporated into the committee’s stage 1 consideration of the victims, witnesses and justice reform bill, which is due to be introduced shortly. As Rona Mackay has rightly flagged, we can share correspondence appropriately with external organisations.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 April 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is consideration of evidence on the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Angela Constance, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs; Natalie Don, the Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise; and, from the Scottish Government, Catriona Dalrymple, who is the deputy director of community justice, Tom McNamara, who is the head of youth justice and children’s hearings, and Barry McCaffrey, who is a lawyer. We give a warm welcome to you all.
I take this opportunity to welcome both ministers to their new roles and to thank the former cabinet secretary, Keith Brown, for his engagement with the committee over recent years.
I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for this evidence session. On that note, I invite the cabinet secretary and/or the minister to make some brief opening remarks.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 April 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much, minister. As usual, I will start the questions and then bring in members.
Minister, in your opening remarks, you mentioned some of the witnesses who we have already heard from and some of the very helpful evidence that we have heard. I will start by looking at the issues around age. One of the main provisions of the bill is that people under the age of 18 are no longer placed in a YOI or prison. The committee heard evidence from a range of witnesses that there should perhaps be more scope for an individualised assessment process to determine whether and where a child or young person should be detained. That would be based on factors such as their development, maturity and, perhaps, their neurological development. Aside from the issue around resources, are there any other particular barriers to being able to provide an individualised assessment process for children who are entering the criminal justice system and, potentially, a secure environment?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I thank Linda Allan very much for coming along to today’s meeting. We appreciate your time.
There will be a short suspension while we change witnesses.
10:56 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
So, the panel broadly welcomes the bill as a fairly good start, but with some caveats. On that note, I will move straight to members’ questions.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I want to pick up on a point that Lorraine Johnstone made earlier. Lorraine, you said that secure care centres could potentially accommodate young offenders who have done something serious, but that restructuring and training would be needed. Are you aware of whether there has been any of that, or have you had any engagement with the Scottish Government about the potential for it and what additional resources would be necessary?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
There is a lot to cover. In the spirit of time keeping, I will bring in Wendy Sinclair-Gieben.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
If you are quick.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I know that Sue Brookes wants to comment on a previous question. Do you want to address Jamie Greene’s question as well?
12:00Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I remind members to make sure that our lines of questioning are not about a specific case but about the bill.