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Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 2 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I do not know whether we will have time, because Russell Findlay also wants to ask a brief supplementary. As I said, we have a hard stop at five minutes past two.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 2 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I thank the minister, her officials and Ms Millar for their attendance. We now move into private session.
14:02 Meeting continued in private until 14:15.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 1 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
It was very well made. Thank you very much.
I call Pauline McNeill, to be followed by Russell Findlay.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 1 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Can I stop you there? Is this a live case?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 1 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
That is a helpful overview. One of the things that I think we grapple with is how, in any legislature, there are different sub-sectors within the justice system—courts, police, prisons. If we are looking at improving trauma-informed or trauma-responsive practice, how important is it that that happens across the whole system rather than just in individual organisations?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 1 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I want to pick up on that and ask a question. The intention of the bill, as Rona Mackay said, is effectively to make trauma-informed practice a statutory duty. I am interested in your commentary on where legislation has perhaps been used previously as a way of embedding trauma-informed practice. Do you consider that setting out trauma-informed practice as a statutory obligation is important?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 1 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
That is really helpful and an interesting overview.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 1 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
We move on to our second panel, whose members represent the five justice agencies that, under the bill, will be required to have regard to trauma-informed practice. I welcome Laura Buchan, who is procurator fiscal policy and engagement at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Sue Brookes, who is interim director of strategy and stakeholder engagement at the Scottish Prison Service; Chief Superintendent Derek Frew, who is from Police Scotland; John Watt, who is chairperson of the Parole Board for Scotland; and David Fraser, who is executive director of court operations at the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service. A warm welcome to you all. Thank you very much for your written submissions.
I intend to allow 90 minutes for this session. Given the size of the panel, I request that members and panel members keep their questions and responses as focused and succinct as possible. I also request that we keep our discussion focused on the specific provisions in the bill, since that is the purpose of our scrutiny today. I expect that the bulk of our questions will focus on part 2 of the bill. I appreciate that members may also have questions on parts 1 and 3. If so, could they please keep those until the end of the session?
As usual, I will start with a general opening question. We will work our way across, from Mr Fraser on my left, to Ms Buchan. In broad terms, are you supportive of the provisions in the bill that are aimed at encouraging the use of trauma-informed practice, why, and what difference to your current practice will the bill make?
10:30Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 1 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
It has been a comprehensive session, and I thank all the panel members for their time this morning. We will have a short suspension to allow for a changeover of panel members.
12:03 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 1 November 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Under our next item of business, we will continue our pre-budget scrutiny of the Scottish Government’s 2024-25 budget. I am pleased to give a warm welcome to Karyn McCluskey, who is the chief executive of Community Justice Scotland, and to Chris McCully and Bill Fitzpatrick, who are also from Community Justice Scotland. Thank you for your comprehensive written submission.
We have about 45 minutes for this session. Given the range of questions and responses that we had this morning, time has slightly caught up with us, so I propose that we drop items 3 and 4 from our agenda, which are our private discussions following the public session? Are members content with that?
Members indicated agreement.