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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 13 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I know that that is an important issue, but I need to move on and bring in John Swinney.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 13 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. I call Fulton MacGregor.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 13 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
It is probably helpful to point out that the mock jury research that we heard about from Professor Fiona Leverick and Eamon Keane is one part of the evidence that the committee will take. I do not think for one minute that the bill’s provisions are based solely on the findings of mock jury research. Thank you for that helpful response.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 13 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
If no other members want to come in, I will draw the session to a close and thank the witnesses for attending this morning.
That completes our agenda item. We now move into private session.
12:34 Meeting continued in private until 13:09.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 13 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much for those opening responses. I will ask a follow-up question and put it to the three of you in the same order as before.
In the interests of having an accessible and transparent justice system in Scotland, how would you define “not proven”? That there is no definition of the not proven verdict has come up in previous evidence sessions. How would you define “not proven” if its meaning were to be set out in legislation, for example?
Meeting of the Parliament
Meeting date: 13 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
To ask the Scottish Government what its latest engagement has been with the UK Government regarding the funding available to support households with the cost of living during the Christmas season. (S6O-02875)
Meeting of the Parliament
Meeting date: 13 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Recent financial research undertaken by PwC indicates that Christmas spending in the UK will drop by 11 per cent this year compared with 2022 to an average of around £440 per consumer, with 18 per cent of people in Scotland anticipating spending less due to having less money, the damaging cost of living and having less confidence in their future finances. The measures in the recent autumn statement will not touch the sides of the issues for most households, who have seen their monthly costs go through the roof.
Does the cabinet secretary agree that, even with promotional events such as black Friday, Christmas will be out of reach for many households this year and that the UK Government must change course from wreaking economic havoc to delivering fiscal policy that will make a tangible difference to people living in Scotland?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 6 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. I now invite other members to ask their questions, starting with Fulton MacGregor.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 6 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning, and welcome to the 33rd meeting in 2023 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have no apologies this morning.
Our main item of business is to continue to take evidence on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill. Today, we will continue phase 2 of our scrutiny and focus specifically on part 4 of the bill, which covers the abolition of the not proven verdict and changes to jury sizes and majorities.
We are joined by Sandy Brindley, who is chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland, and Mr Joe Duffy. I welcome you both.
I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I intend to allow around 60 minutes for this evidence session.
I will begin with a general opening question. I will go to Sandy Brindley first and then to Mr Duffy. We understand that you support a move to a two-verdict system and the removal of the not proven verdict. What are your reasons for that position?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 6 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
We are coming up to our end time. Is there anything else that we have not covered in our questions that either of the witnesses would like to add before we close our meeting?