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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much, chief constable. We welcome your comments on the police budget that was announced yesterday and related matters.
I want to pick up on some points, staying with the budget theme. We are all currently in the budget space. The Scottish Police Authority, in its budget proposal for 2024-25, said:
“As the significant financial benefits from reform and transformation have already been realised through the creation of the single service, it is not possible for policing to deliver substantial savings for a second time through efficiency alone.”
It stated that,
“Further significant savings can only be achieved through a redesign of the policing model”
—which you mentioned—
“underpinned by a reshaping of the workforce, alongside targeted action to reduce the overall non-pay cost base.”
It went on to say:
“It is recognised and accepted that more can be done to re-shape and re-size policing to ensure the most effective and efficient use of its resources aligned to the policing priorities.”
From the committee’s scrutiny of the policing budget requirement for next year, we very much recognise those remarks and that position. Can you set out in a bit more detail what you consider that a redesigned policing model for Scotland would look like?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
On that note, I will open the discussion to other members and bring in Russell Findlay.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that comprehensive overview. We do not have time to follow up on that this morning but, for me, one of the issues is the ability of officers to transfer the care of a person elsewhere. Nine times out of 10, that will be to health and social care services. I am very interested in what level of engagement health and social care has participated in with Police Scotland, because I see that as being absolutely key, but I am sure that we will come back to that further down the line.
I will bring in a couple of members for some brief supplementary questions, after which I will have to bring the session to a close.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
We will have a very final quick question from Russell Findlay.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Yes.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning, and welcome to the 35th and final meeting in 2023 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Pauline McNeill.
Our main item of business is to take evidence from the chief constable of Police Scotland, Jo Farrell, on her vision and priorities for Police Scotland. I welcome the chief constable, who is joined by Jane Connors, deputy chief constable for crime and operational support, and James Gray, chief financial officer of Police Scotland.
I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for this session.
I invite the chief constable to make a short opening statement.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
That brings me to my next question, which is about remodelling and the reform agenda within the context of the overall justice system. What, if any, are the challenges in delivering on your review of the policing model while bearing in mind that you are one part of a broader justice system?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Yes, of course.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Rona Mackay, you wanted to come in on that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 20 December 2023
Audrey Nicoll
That completes our final business in public for the year. I wish this morning’s witnesses, members, Parliament staff, police officers and staff, the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and everyone who works in the justice sector a happy and peaceful festive season.
11:45 Meeting continued in private until 12:20.