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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for your interesting commentary on how essential good technology is. Before I bring in Katy Clark for a final question, does Professor Thomas want to add anything?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I welcome our second panel of witnesses: Tony Lenehan KC, president of the Faculty of Advocates criminal bar association; Sheila Webster, president of the Law Society of Scotland; Alan McCreadie, solicitor and head of research and secretary to the Law Society of Scotland’s criminal law committee; and Simon Di Rollo KC. Welcome to you all. We are very grateful to you for joining the meeting.

I intend to allow around 90 minutes for this panel. I propose that we initially focus our questions on the proposal for a new sexual offences court before moving on to the proposal for a pilot for judge-led trials in certain rape cases. Finally, we can discuss the proposals for independent legal representation for complainers and anonymity for victims of sex offences.

As usual, I will open with my general question for the panel. Recently, in her evidence to the committee, Lady Dorrian argued that a specialist sexual offences court, among other measures, is required if we are to achieve the kind of changes that we need. She warned that piecemeal reforms would not bring about the necessary shift in culture. I will start by asking Tony Lenehan to respond to that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We seem to have lost Katy Clark momentarily. Would Simon Di Rollo like to come in on this point?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We will patiently wait and see whether we can get Katy back; I imagine that she will have some follow-up questions.

Would you like to come in, Mr McCreadie?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. With that, I will bring in Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. You spoke specifically about defence lawyers. The committee is aware of, and understands, the fact that there is a need for improved trauma-informed practice across the whole criminal justice system, from the point that somebody contemplates making a disclosure to the conclusion of a court case, because the whole justice system could be involved in a case.

I am interested in your views on two things. Do you think that a whole-system shift in trauma-informed practice is essential, rather than there being a piecemeal approach? I am also interested in your thinking around a trauma-informed environment—for example, the committee has spoken about the way in which traditional court buildings can be intimidating. Hannah, perhaps you can start by outlining your thoughts on how we embed trauma-informed practice across such a large system.

09:15  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I open up the session to members, starting with Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Pauline McNeill is next.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our final panel is part of phase 3 of our scrutiny of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, which focuses specifically on parts 5 and 6 of the bill. Those parts cover the establishment of a new sexual offences court, anonymity for victims of sex offences, independent legal representation for complainers and the proposal for a pilot for judge-only trials in certain rape cases.

I welcome to the meeting Sandy Brindley, chief executive at Rape Crisis Scotland; Dr Marsha Scott, chief executive at Scottish Women’s Aid; Kate Wallace, chief executive at Victim Support Scotland; and Emma Bryson from Speak Out Survivors. I intend to allow about 90 minutes for this session.

I begin with a general question. Do the witnesses support the creation of a specialist sexual offences court? What would be the main benefits of creating one?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

On that note, I bring this discussion to a close. I thank all of you very much indeed. It has been extremely valuable to hear your views, and we are very grateful that you were able to attend this morning.

10:11 Meeting suspended.  

10:18 On resuming—