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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for your forbearance. I know that you are very passionate about that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much indeed. We have to draw the session to a close. I thank everybody on our panel this morning. We will have a short suspension to let our witnesses leave.

11:24 Meeting suspended.  

11:33 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2023 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies this morning; Katy Clark joins us online.

Under our first item of business, we will continue to take evidence on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill. Last week, we began with an overview session on the bill with the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, Angela Constance. Today, we move on to phase 1 of our evidence taking, which will focus specifically on parts 1 to 3 of the bill. Those parts cover the establishment of a victims and witnesses commissioner, the embedding of trauma-informed practice in the justice system and the extension of special measures to civil cases. We expect phase 1 to run to mid-November, after which we will move on to consider other parts of the bill.

This morning, we are joined by people from organisations that represent victims and survivors of various crimes. I give a warm welcome to Ann Marie Cocozza, the co-founder of FAMS—Families and Friends Affected by Murder and Suicide; Sandy Brindley, the chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland; Dr Marsha Scott, the chief executive officer of Scottish Women’s Aid; and Kate Wallace, the chief executive officer of Victim Support Scotland.

I refer members to papers 1 to 3. I intend to allow up to 75 minutes for this session. Given that we have such a large panel, before we get under way, I ask members to be as succinct as possible with their questions and the witnesses to be as succinct as possible with their responses. I remind everyone that in phase 1 of our scrutiny we are focusing on parts 1 to 3 of the bill, so, if we can, let us try to work through those parts in turn in our questions.

I will begin with an opening question on part 1, which covers the proposal for a victims and witnesses commissioner. What are your views on the pros and cons of such a post? I will bring in Sandy Brindley and then Dr Marsha Scott, because I know that Rape Crisis Scotland supports the proposal and that Scottish Women’s Aid is more opposed to the creation of the post.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Dr Hill, do you want to start? We will then bring in Bill Scott.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I open it up to members.

11:15  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. Russell Findlay, do you want to come in with a final question?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Fulton MacGregor. I ask members to direct their questions to two witnesses at most, because we still have parts 2 and 3 to get through.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Please be very brief.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Our next agenda item is consideration of two negative instruments. I refer members to paper 4.

Under section 28(2) of the Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010, instruments subject to the negative procedure must be laid at least 28 days before they come into force. Those instruments breached that requirement as they were laid on 30 August and came into force on 1 October 2023. The Scottish Public Pensions Agency has explained the reasons for the breach in a letter to the Presiding Officer, which is among the committee’s papers. Those explanations seem reasonable to me.

No members have any questions. Are we content with both instruments?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. I will bring you in later.