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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. Are you able to expand a bit on that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
I will just interrupt you there. You have set out the issue that we are considering very well, but, in the interest of time, I would like to allow members to ask their questions. If we have time at the end, I might ask you to outline some of the other examples that you have mentioned.
For clarification, when you say “PSD”, do you mean the police’s professional standards department?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
That is helpful, thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
I welcome to our meeting Ian Clarke. Ian, it is very important that we hear the views of those who have personal experience of the police complaints system, and the committee is interested to hear your perspective of what is being proposed in the bill.
I intend to allow around 45 minutes for this evidence session, and it might be helpful if I open up with a general question about the police complaints system. I am aware that you have a response that you would like to share with us. What do you think should be changed about the police complaints system, based on your experience? Please just take your time in your response.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
That is a helpful clarification.
You made final points about a process that is fair, open and based on evidence. You will have heard in our earlier session a contribution from our witness on the independence of the process. That was subject to members’ questions. Will you comment on the importance of an independent process, regardless of the level or seriousness of the misconduct allegation that is being dealt with?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring in Russell Findlay.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
We know that the trial that you were the subject of concluded that, in essence, there was no case to answer. I am interested in whether there was any acknowledgement of that by Police Scotland—whether there was any apology or redress—and what that would mean to people who are in the situation in which you found yourself. Should Police Scotland at the very least acknowledge that what happened was, in essence, an injustice?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. It seems to be bizarre that you had to seek recourse to media coverage of your case.
We have just about come to the end of our time, Ian. As members have no more questions, would you like to add anything that we have not discussed this morning? Is there anything that the committee should know with regard to the bill’s provisions?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2024 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies. Today, we continue taking evidence on the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.
Before we get under way, I invite members to declare any interests.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 April 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you, Margaret. There is a lot in there, but it was very interesting to hear that overview. A lot of things were going through my head when you were setting that out, and one of them was about the culture. I know that that broader issue about the culture in Police Scotland is not what we are here to discuss today but, from what we heard at last week’s evidence session and from what you have outlined so far this morning, that issue is evident and present. Could you comment on that?