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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

I will go to Rona Mackay before I come in with a couple of final points.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Forgive my ignorance, but I presume that you are referring to UK legislation.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

The next item of business is an evidence-taking session on the challenges and reforms facing the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. We have two panels of witnesses, and I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

For our first panel, I welcome from the Fire Brigades Union Colin Brown, executive council member for Scotland, and John McKenzie, Scottish regional secretary. It is nice to see you both.

As usual, I remind everyone to be succinct in their questions and responses. I now invite Colin Brown or John McKenzie to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

We are coming up to noon, which was our scheduled finishing time, but there are still a couple of members who would like to come in with questions. If you can bear with us, we will run over a bit.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

We will move on to our second panel of witnesses, who are our colleagues from the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. I welcome Mhairi Wylie, chair of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service board; Stuart Stevens, chief officer; Andy Watt, deputy chief officer; and Deborah Stanfield, interim director of finance and contractual services.

Thank you very much for your submission. I note the follow-up correspondence on progress on the review, which all MSPs received this morning.

You heard the evidence from our first panel, and there will be quite a lot to work through. I ask Mhairi or Stuart to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

The committee understands that, given the volume of feedback and the time that it is taking to work through it.

My second question is on firefighter safety. You stated that you know about the risks that your members face from the lack of decontamination facilities or reduced staff numbers. Do you see a risk of compensation claims from injured members in the future? What financial burden could that place on the service?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

A very good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2026 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have no apologies.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

That is helpful. We are as disappointed as you are—we have put that on the record—with the overall justice budget, and in particular with the budget settlement for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. There is no doubt about that.

We have limited time—around 60 minutes—and I am keen for members to come in, so I will hand over to Liam Kerr and then bring in Pauline McNeill.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. That was helpful.

We will dive right in to questions. My first question, which you will probably be anticipating, is about the funding in the Scottish budget 2026-27. How will that impact on your plans for reform? In your submission, you described the potential need to revisit aspects of the reform process on the back of the budget and the spending review for 2026. How do you make the changes that you need to make to use resources better and evolve the service? I am interested in opening up that topic and hearing your response to the budget and the spending review process.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

We are right on time, but I wonder whether our next panel of witnesses will bear with us for five minutes or so, because I have a couple of final questions, one of which circles back to the reform process.

I am interested in the FBU’s engagement with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service on potential reforms to the service since you provided evidence to us in December. Do you have any feedback on how those discussions went?