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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I remind members that the chief constable made a full and unreserved apology to the Scottish Police Authority board on 30 November. Chief constable, if you wish to add anything, that is fine, but I want to make sure that members are aware of that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

That completes our final business in public for the year. I wish this morning’s witnesses, members, Parliament staff, police officers and staff, the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and everyone who works in the justice sector a happy and peaceful festive season.

11:45 Meeting continued in private until 12:20.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

My final question is about timescales. Some reform can move relatively quickly, but other reform takes longer. What are your broad timescales for the priority areas of reform that you are seeking to deliver?

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Rona Mackay, you wanted to come in on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

That is an important issue that people are interested in, but I am keen to bring in other members. We can come back to it at the end if we have time. I will bring in John Swinney.

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I am aware of the time, chief constable, but I have one more question to ask, and a couple of members would like to come in with very brief follow-up questions, so if you have scope to stay with us for a few more minutes, that would be greatly appreciated.

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will pick up on a point that John Swinney raised earlier, and I will also reflect on your opening statement, in which you spoke about the significant resource implications arising from responding to people in distress and said that officers and staff had responded to about 100,000 mental health incidents in the past year and that that was equivalent to the work of around 500 full-time officers—I hope that I am quoting you correctly. Clearly, there is a budget implication in that, and it is good to hear about the work that is under way to address that.

One other factor that we are aware of in this space is the reluctance of officers to walk away, if you like, from a person. Doing that does not fit with the reason why they joined Police Scotland, which was to make life a bit better for people, and there is also a fear of the repercussions should something go wrong. I am interested in how you intend to reduce the demand that we have already spoken about, but at the same time enable and empower officers and staff to perhaps take a different approach than they have taken to date, without being worried about getting it wrong.

One of the things that we have not really spoken about this morning is training, which I see as being crucial to giving officers not only the confidence but also the skills to do that. I am interested in how you intend doing that, which perhaps also touches on what Fulton MacGregor spoke to around a culture shift.

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

We draw our session to a close. I thank the witnesses for their forbearance, for staying on with us and for the evidence that they provided to the committee.

Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I am sure that members noted my obvious omission earlier on. Are members happy for us to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.