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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, cabinet secretary.

We will move to questions, and I will begin with a question for Ms Medhurst. The new policy says that transfers from the male estate to the female one will not occur if a prisoner presents

“an unacceptable risk of harm to those in the women’s prison.”

Will you give a bit more detail on the risk assessment and risk management process in this space? Can you reassure us that the Scottish Prison Service will have access to all the relevant information that it needs from the courts, police, social work and other agencies to inform such a complex risk assessment and management process?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I know that it is a moving figure, but what is the current population of individuals who identify as transgender in the Scottish prison estate?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am sorry, Ms Regan, but I am going to have to move on. I call Rachael Hamilton. I know that Pauline McNeill would then like to come in for what will have to be our final questions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

If I can just come in—

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am sorry, but we must move on. I bring in Rona Mackay, to be followed by Pauline McNeill.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will come back to you if we have time. John Swinney is next.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We are really tight for time. I am sorry. Pauline McNeill will ask a final question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning and welcome to the second meeting in 2024 of the Criminal Justice Committee.

We have received apologies from Katy Clark, in whose place we are joined by Neil Bibby MSP. We are also joined by Maggie Chapman MSP, Ash Regan MSP, Tess White MSP and Rachael Hamilton MSP. Before we move on, I ask MSP colleagues who are joining us for the first time to declare any interests.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you.

I will open up the meeting to questions from members. I ask for brief questions and fairly succinct responses, as we are tight for time.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I suggest that we follow that up, as has been suggested. It is a valid question, but as time is against us, I suggest that we follow it up in writing.

I am sorry, but we do not have time for any more questions. We are under a strict timescale to end by 2.30 and we still have a formal process to go through. I thank members for their questions.