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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Okay, thank you. That concludes our first panel this morning. I thank our witnesses for attending the meeting. It has been hugely valuable, so thank you very much indeed. We will now have a short suspension to allow for a wee comfort break and a changeover of witnesses.

11:07 Meeting suspended.  

11:15 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. I bring in Simon Di Rollo.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

It is safe to say that, as a result of the written submissions and the evidence that we have heard in committee, we are acutely aware of the breadth of views that exist. As you will know, there are some very supportive views, not least of which are those of the Lord Advocate and Lady Dorrian. We have the lovely job of trying to pull all of that together and do the best job that we can to respond and to populate our report.

My question bears in mind that broad range of views. There have been some helpful suggestions—particularly, as we have heard, in your profession—about what a specialist approach in Scotland to sexual offence cases would look like. I will bring in Sheila Webster on this. I am interested in teasing out a bit more about the key elements in a specialist approach to dealing with sexual offences and rape cases.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that is helpful. We are still working on getting the connection with Katy Clark back, so we will move straight on.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I think that you will all be very relieved to hear me say that that brings our evidence session to a close. I thank the witnesses very much for attending today. It has been an extremely important and helpful session.

Next week, we will return to the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill with evidence from the Lord Advocate on parts 1 to 4 of the bill and evidence from members of the judiciary and academics on the bill’s anonymity provisions.

Are members content to defer agenda item 3, which would have been considered in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will stay with you, Professor Chalmers, before I open up to other members. You referred—I think that I am quoting you correctly—to the challenge of

“unravelling what is going on”,

looking across the wider body of evidence and research work that has been undertaken around rape myths.

In trying to understand the issue, how important is it that we are aware of, and take into account, the purpose of individual pieces of research and the context in which they were developed? I am thinking about avoiding the risk of comparing apples with pears with regard to what happens in one jurisdiction as set against another. How important is it that we are aware of that when we are considering what the evidence is telling us?

09:45  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am sure that we will come back to that question. I will open up the floor to members, starting with Katy Clark, who is joining us online.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Yes—I will hand over to Professor Thomas.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Katy, would you like to bring in anyone else on that issue?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Professor Munro, can I just come in? There is a lot of interest in this topic, and I know that members are keen to come in, as is Professor Chalmers. Therefore, I will bring in Professor Chalmers, and then we will move on.