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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
The clerk informs me that I have jumped ahead on the list of SSIs and have missed one out. We will come to it in a moment—I apologise for the delay.
Thank you for that point, Sharon Dowey. As no other members wish to come in or make any recommendations, are we content for the instrument to come into force?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
That concludes our consideration of SSIs. I will suspend very briefly to allow witnesses to join us at the table.
11:28
Meeting suspended.
11:29
On resuming—
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
That is very helpful. We have regular engagement with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and the Fire Brigades Union, as you highlighted, and I am interested in your point about looking more closely at how the benefits of reform can be reinvested in other areas across the service.
I will pick up on your point about property and the estate. Issues of that nature have come up in probably every evidence session that we have had with colleagues. Recently, we have been considering the links with the draft climate change plan and what has been going on across public services to reduce carbon emissions. The SFRS has been active in that area, and we took evidence from the chief officer on that recently. The questions were less about the operational response to climate-related incidents and more about how the service is reducing its carbon footprint. In your inspectorate role, have you looked at that issue to date? I am interested in your comments on how the service can further address climate change by reducing carbon emissions across the estate.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
It does. Staying on the subject of that important inspection work, my final question is: have you found that recurring themes have cropped up that might suggest more systemic issues or concerns?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
I endorse and commend the partnership working that the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is involved in. There is a really strong partnership approach, which we can be grateful for and proud of.
Finally, do you have sufficient staff and financial resources?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
That is a helpful overview. I will stay on that topic. I refer to a piece of work that the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland has done recently, which found that abuse of position for sexual purposes now accounts for around 30 per cent of the most serious cases that it deals with, with clear patterns of male officers exploiting vulnerable women. I am not sure whether you are aware of that report. I am interested in whether the PIRC collects and publishes equivalent data for Scotland. What proportion of the more serious investigations that you deal with, or have dealt with in recent years, have involved predatory or sexually exploitative behaviour by officers? You will understand that violence against women and girls is a common theme that is raised in the committee, so I am keen to explore the issue.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
I have a question to finish with. Some really interesting points have been made about the shifting workload that the PIRC is having to deal with as a result of a range of external factors over which, as you have said, you have no control. Following on from the discussion about resources and the fact that you have to respond to these things, can you outline any structural or legislative reforms that you believe are necessary to strengthen independent oversight of policing and ensure that the PIRC is able to carry out its role to the best of its ability?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that. As members have no more questions, I thank you both for your attendance today.
That completes the evidence session, and indeed our business in public for today. I remind members that we agreed to defer our review of evidence and our consideration of our annual report, possibly to next week. In the meantime, members who want to make any points about the annual report should feel free to feed them in, and we will take them forward.
Meeting closed at 13:00.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2026 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies this morning.
Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take items 7 and 8 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 March 2026
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is an evidence-taking session by way of reflecting on the budget proposed for 2026-27 and the Scottish spending review. This morning, we are focusing on Police Scotland. I refer members to papers 1 and 2.
I welcome to the meeting Chief Constable Jo Farrell; Deputy Chief Constable Alan Speirs, who is Police Scotland’s DCC for professionalism and enabling services; and Sarah Roughead, who is chief financial officer. A warm welcome to you all.
We have around 60 minutes for this evidence session, but I remind everyone to ask succinct questions and to provide succinct responses. I start by inviting the chief constable to make a short opening statement.