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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I have a couple of questions. The first is on a practical issue relating to the release process. Although we know that the plan is that there will be four tranches of release, we are not sure what the numbers will be. Obviously, that will apply across Scotland, and I cannot remember who, but somebody anticipated that some prisons will have greater numbers than others.

We have spoken a number of times about the lessons learned from previous release processes, not least those that happened during Covid. Paula Arnold and Phil Fairlie, based on your previous experiences of release, what are your views on what needs to be put in place to make the process as smooth as possible and, importantly, to minimise the likelihood that somebody comes back into prison because of reoffending? Are there any arrangements that are key to have in place so that the release process causes the least disruption to the function of the prison estate?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

The update from the cabinet secretary says that the first tranche is due to be released on 26 June, which does not leave long for planning to be put in place.

Finally, I will ask about an issue that we have not covered: access to healthcare in the prison estate. I know that that can be challenging at the best of times, but I am interested in what impact the significant rise in the prison population has had on the provision of healthcare. I put that to Phil Fairlie and then Paula Arnold—and then to Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, if there is anything that she wants to add.

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Do want to add anything, Paula?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We will now close this evidence session. Thank you very much, Wendy, for contributing online in the middle of your inspection. I thank everybody for that really informative session.

11:54 Meeting suspended.  

11:58 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I know that members have a lot of questions, so I will bring in Katy Clark and then Russell Findlay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2024 of the Criminal Justice Committee. There are no apologies. Fulton MacGregor joins us online.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take in private agenda item 4, which is a discussion of the evidence that we will hear this morning. Do members agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I would be interested if you could expand on that. Will you give an example of the sort of activity that staff would normally support and assist with, which is now challenging, if not impossible, for them to deliver?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Under agenda item 2, which is our main item of business today, we will consider the proposals for an early release of prisoners and other key challenges in Scotland’s prisons. This is a preparatory session for next week’s appearance at the committee by the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs and the Scottish Prison Service.

I welcome our first panel of witnesses to the meeting. They are Professor Sarah Armstrong, who is professor of criminology at the University of Glasgow; Kate Wallace, who is chief executive officer of Victim Support Scotland; and Lynsey Smith, who is chair of the justice standing committee at Social Work Scotland. I thank you all for agreeing to provide evidence to the committee.

I refer members to paper 1. I thank Families Outside and the Howard League Scotland for their written submissions, which have been very helpful.

I intend to allow around 60 minutes for the evidence session. I will begin with a general opening question for our panel members. I will start from the left, bringing in Professor Armstrong first, and then work across the panel.

As you know, the cabinet secretary proposes that we release up to 550 prisoners earlier than anticipated, because of an emergency situation. She is proposing other measures for later on, via new primary legislation, to cover long-term prisoners. In general terms, what are your views on the proposals? Will they be enough, or should an alternative way forward be found, particularly for the longer-term approach?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for coming.

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland’s Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will stick with Ian Bryce for a moment. Earlier, you spoke about blockages of older prisoners, and access—I wrote this down—to some of the offence-focused work that they are required to undertake. That work is important for the Parole Board in terms of your ability to assess risk.

What are the pinchpoints there? Can you expand a wee bit more on that? Is it just as simple as the pressures of the prison population, or is there a wee bit more to it?