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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Rona, did you want to ask a follow-up question on that before I bring in Katy Clark?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Are you saying that there are other centres that could replicate the work that the research centre at Dundee university is doing?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you.

Kirsten Horsburgh, you have been at the committee previously and have shared very helpful information, so I will hand over to you, particularly with regard to what is coming into prisons.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I would like to go back to a point that was made about the close working relationship between the Scottish Prison Service and the University of Dundee, particularly the Leverhulme research centre for forensic science, which is based at the university. The SPS submission refers to the University of Dundee providing valuable insights into the extent and nature of the illicit drugs that are being used in prisons.

I do not need to tell anyone about the financial situation that Dundee university is facing, and I do not expect you to comment on that. However, given the value of the work that the university does in conjunction with the Prison Service, how much of an impact might any change in that arrangement have on the work that you are doing on tackling drug harm in the Scottish Prison Service estate?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

A very good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies. Fulton MacGregor is running slightly late due to train issues, but he will join us shortly.

Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take in private item 4, which is our review of today’s evidence. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Before I bring in Fulton MacGregor, I want to pick up on the question about the impact on staff of caring for people who are living with drug harm. To what extent are overcrowding and the stubbornly high prison population making that situation more complicated or difficult, not just for prison officers but for other staff who work in prisons, particularly those who support people who are impacted by drug harm?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I have a follow-up, which Kirsten Horsburgh can perhaps come in on. This is a big question: are the MAT standards still relevant? I am not suggesting that they are irrelevant, but are they still relevant, given where things have shifted to and how they are shifting, particularly in the context of drug use or drug harm in prison? Is there anything that you want to add on how effective the MAT standards still are?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It is helpful for people to understand what that role looks like.

We are a couple of minutes over our time, but does anyone want to add anything that we have not covered? We have got off to a really good start.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of two negative statutory instruments, which relate to pensions for police officers or firefighters. In relation to the instrument on police pensions, I declare an interest as a retired police officer.

I refer members to papers 3 and 4, which set out the purpose of the instruments. I note that the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee made a series of recommendations about the drafting of both instruments, some of which the Scottish Government does not seem to have responded to. Therefore, irrespective of whether the committee agrees that the instruments should come into force, I think that we should write to the Scottish Government to ask why there has been no response. Do members agree to that proposal?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

As members have no other recommendations to make in relation to the instruments, are we content that they come into force?

Members indicated agreement.