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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 February 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Angus Robertson

Convener, I would always want to be able to provide you with the information that you require, so I offer my heartfelt apologies if we have not been able to provide you with everything. In relation to that and in this evidence session, if there is anything that I or my colleagues cannot answer, I will want to provide the committee with all of that afterwards.

I understand that the usual timescale for the Scottish Government response to a committee’s pre-budget inquiry report is within two weeks of the publication of the draft budget bill. The bill was published on 13 January, and my letter to the committee was issued on 20 January, which is well within the two-week deadline.

The level of information in the letter is very much in line with what has been provided in previous years: we set out what we will achieve through the draft up-coming budget. No issues had been raised in past years about the format or level of detail, but clearly you wanted to see more. That is absolutely fine, and we are happy to provide that detail. If there are any learnings to be taken on providing more information, we are happy to take them.

10:15

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Angus Robertson

Understood.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Angus Robertson

Responsibility for what appears from the Government rests with ministers. However, as I have acknowledged in communication to the committee, and having heard Mr Kerr’s point of order, those numbers—the numbers that he mentions now—are correct. I am happy to confirm the others, but I think that the committee has the full list. I expected those numbers to be published as part of the budget process, and they were. Edits were made not to the numbers but in terms of the presentation—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Angus Robertson

I am in favour of Creative Scotland exploring all options to make sure that the CCA reopens as soon as is realistically possible. It is a matter of public record that it has had financial and governance challenges.

However, Creative Scotland and authorities in Glasgow have made significant efforts to see that what is a very important artistic institution—for Glasgow, Scotland and beyond—continues. They will have to find a way forward. I am sure that Creative Scotland will be listening to this evidence session, or that its staff will read the Official Report of it, because this is a matter for Creative Scotland to take forward—we know all the provisos about it being arm’s length and all of that. I am certain that it will want to explore all the options to best understand what the viable future is for that very valued cultural institution.

11:00

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

That is, no doubt, the view of the former chairman of the board—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Indeed.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

That is exactly what happened. The chairman—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

I will let Mr Hogg in in a second. If you are asking me whether the cabinet secretary with responsibility for this area—me—ultimately has powers to try to turn things around when things become as problematic and entrenched as they became, I note that that was the first thing that I reflected on, and I think that the answer is yes. We have new leadership and board members in place and investigations are under way—that has happened as quickly as possible.

However, if I reflect more broadly—this goes to the heart of Mr Kerr’s question—at what point should the Government intervene on an organisation that is operationally independent and that was created by a statute that was supported by every single political party in the Parliament and, indeed, this committee? It was created to be so. Should there ever be a case like this again, are changes required in the legislation on non-departmental public bodies? I am definitely reflecting on that.

I then pose a question to myself and to those who are considering the situation, the committee included. At what point could or should one have intervened with the powers currently at our disposal, and what new powers might be required to do so in the future? I am reflecting on the fact that we—I—have intervened and that things are, I believe, turning around in Historic Environment Scotland.

It is not obvious to me—perhaps the committee’s findings and conclusion can help with this—whether there was a particular stage for intervening, given that there were very serious HR processes under way in Historic Environment Scotland. Is it for a Government minister to intervene materially while such processes are under way and nobody has yet been found to be in breach of anything? The balancing act is a difficult one, but I am unaware of any situation that comes remotely close to the leadership challenges that there have been in Historic Environment Scotland.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

I am sorry—I indicated that Mr Hogg perhaps had something to add.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Mr Hogg will be able to confirm that, because it was he who confirmed it to me.