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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
I think that Mr Brown is correct, and that is why the Scottish Government has changed the constraints under which Historic Environment Scotland previously operated, thereby freeing it up to find new income streams, because the estate—and everything that it is responsible for—is very popular and has the potential to be even more popular. No doubt all of us who visit sites that are run by Historic Environment Scotland recognise that there is more potential that can be reached. The first thing is that the Government has already made that change.
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In many respects, it is groundbreaking for Historic Environment Scotland, and other organisations have been knocking on my door asking for similar freedom to make income in more ways and have an entrepreneurial approach to their operations.
I reflect that we now have a chairman of the board and a chief executive officer who have come with such a background from the National Trust for Scotland. The freedom that they, together with new board members, have been granted by the Scottish Government is very much the direction in which the leadership of Historic Environment Scotland wants to go.
Keith Brown mentioned the detriment to an organisation because of what has been going on in the leadership. That has taken up a significant amount of my time as well as that of civil service colleagues. We should never lose sight of the fact that Historic Environment Scotland, and the many people who work for it throughout Scotland, do a tremendous job. As an organisation per se, it has, in many ways, been an early adopter of change in this space and others. I will be delighted when it emerges with an understanding of the difficulties in which it found itself, the lessons that have to be learned and any changes that the Government may need to make to ensure that such things cannot happen again in the future.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
I have asked for it to be so, and I have no reason to doubt that it will be the case.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
The record will show that Mr Halcro Johnston said that I “should” have been having a meeting with the board. I totally disagree—we can have a difference of view on that.
I have been forthcoming in explaining the serious nature of the investigations that were under way at that stage, involving the chairman of the board and other board members. Unequivocally, it would have been totally inappropriate for me to have met the board in that context. Had I been aware of invitations for me to attend a board meeting in that context, I would have declined, for those reasons.
I do not think that any minister, from any political party, in the situation that I found myself in, and find myself in now, would have acceded to that request. It would have been totally inappropriate.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
I am sorry, but I totally refute that, because it chooses to ignore the fact that we are operating in relation to an organisation that was created by statute. There are legal restrictions on what we can do.
The record will show that, at the earliest opportunity at which I was empowered to make decisions, I made decisions in relation to the leadership of Historic Environment Scotland. We can already see that those changes are having a significant impact on where HES is today compared with where it was last year.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
Indeed. Leadership is key—I agree, Mr Bibby.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
I have said to Sir Mark that, if and when he wishes me to meet the board and judges it appropriate that I do so—given all the riders that I have just explained which I would have thought were obvious—I would be happy to do so.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
That is an entirely fair point, and it could and should be raised with Sir Mark directly. He would have an insight and responsibility for that; it is in the operational ambit of the leadership of Historic Environment Scotland, which is independent of the Scottish Government.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
I will hand over to Mr Hogg in a moment but, first, I am able to confirm to Mr Bibby that it is not the David Martin he and I would know—
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
In answer to Mr Kerr’s question, I am trying to go back and share with the committee when things were first flagged to me—
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 January 2026
Angus Robertson
Well, what does one understand to be leadership instability? That things were serious enough in Historic Environment Scotland that the Scottish Government and I, as cabinet secretary, should be thinking about issues such as the leadership of the board is a matter that was under consideration last year.