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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 April 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

On that point—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

We have acted appropriately throughout this challenging situation. Are there any additional powers, as Mr Harvie suggested, that should be part of the armoury for managing such circumstances? I am open to considering that, and if Mr Halcro Johnston has any suggestions about what they might be, I will listen to them.

Today, we have shared a timeline that explains at what stage I sought to intervene in a number of ways. The Government has acted in good faith to try to help an arm’s-length organisation that was created under statute to find its way back to a leadership, a culture and a way of operating that we would all wish it to have.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

The obvious difference in these circumstances is that there was a new chair of Historic Environment Scotland. No doubt, when he gives evidence to the committee, as he will, he will be able to answer that question.

The new leadership in HES is absolutely key. I agree with Mr Bibby. The fact that a new chair was able to do what was not possible under the old leadership speaks for itself, but it is not for me to speak for Sir Mark Jones.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Indeed, which is one of the reasons why I have a very, very high degree of trust in and respect for Sir Mark Jones.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

I have chosen my words carefully. I have confidence in the leadership of Historic Environment Scotland under the chairmanship of Sir Mark Jones. I have already taken the earliest opportunities to strengthen the board by making sure that it has board members who have experience that the previous board members did not.

It is in the nature of these things that all such organisations have a rotation of board members and senior leadership teams. I imagine that everybody wants to make sure that Historic Environment Scotland, under new leadership, has the appropriate people in place. I will be advised by Sir Mark Jones on that point. I have not been presented with any suggestions about the board that he leads. I will leave it for Sir Mark Jones to speak for himself and for how the board is now operating.

Mr Bibby has identified how changed the circumstances were after the shortest possible period of time under the new leadership of a new chairman of the board. I credit that change to Sir Mark, and it is the reason why I have such a high degree of confidence in him.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

No, it is about a more profoundly important point, which is that investigations are under way. The committee knows that. I will not prejudge any investigation or any conclusions that it may reach.

My words have been chosen very carefully. I await the report from David Martin, as I am sure do Mr Bibby and the committee. That will help me to reflect on the question that Mr Bibby has asked more generally about where Historic Environment Scotland and its leadership are today compared with where they were last year.

I say again that I will not generalise about every board member, every member of the senior leadership team or the chief executive. Given that we are dealing with an independent organisation that operates under statute at arm’s length from the Scottish Government, it is important that the organisation should be able to get on with what it is supposed to be getting on with and that any lessons that emerge from the investigations should be acted on.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

It is not inappropriate for me to meet the chairman of the board, who I have met twice; nor is it inappropriate for me to meet the chief executive, who I met in one social setting but not in a formal context. I will be advised by Sir Mark on that point. I have said to him that, if he wishes for me to meet the board and feels that that would be appropriate, I will consider doing so.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Nothing has been raised with me that I should specifically act on beyond ensuring that the Scottish Government’s sponsorship team is in contact with Historic Environment Scotland. Mr Hogg has a range of examples in which the team has intervened.

Given the nature of the investigations and complaints at a senior level in Historic Environment Scotland, my locus for intervention has been to ensure that I have acted to deal with questions that have been raised about the leadership. Mr Hogg may want to share with the committee a number of ways in which the Scottish Government has shown an interest in and concern about financial management issues at Historic Environment Scotland.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

He has two days a week, I believe.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

That has to be seen in the context of ensuring that there are new board members with specific skill sets who can work with and help him—in particular, that there is a new chief operating officer, who is able to pick things up.

I have said to Sir Mark in the conversations that I have had with him that, if he has any requirement—personally or more generally—for any strengthening of the change that he is currently having to make at Historic Environment Scotland, he will be supported by the Scottish Government.