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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 April 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Mr Hogg is looking for a note. I do not have a date to hand or in my mind, Mr Bibby; I would have to look back. You cannot see him doing it as you are joining the meeting remotely, so I will describe it for your benefit: Mr Hogg is looking at some email traffic to get some insight into that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

No.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

It is not the former Labour MEP for the Lothians, Vice-President of the European Parliament and one of Mr Bibby’s Scottish Labour Party colleagues. We are talking about the former local authority chief executive. His review began on 19 January.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

No, that was beforehand, convener—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

I am explaining that, as part of the process of appointing a new chief executive officer, it was explained to me that it would be good to have a chief executive officer who would be able to deal with—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Indeed. I understand Mr Kerr’s question. I will revert to Kenneth Hogg, who is sitting next to me, to tell you what might have crossed the desk of the sponsorship team, but I am just explaining from my point of view when the things that reached me were at a serious enough level that one had to consider options.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

The Scottish Government’s sponsorship team will have been aware of issues that would have been flagged. I cannot recall exactly when the first whistleblowing messages were sent out, but I know that they were shared with committee members, so I am assuming that Mr Kerr will have seen them. I think that it would be fair to say that there was a crescendo of information.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Not only were all those matters shared with us by whistleblowers; they were things that were, and have been, increasingly covered in the media, especially in the past year. I do not recall those issues being flagged publicly much before then.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

If I can finish my answer, Mr Kerr. After she had taken up office, it then became increasingly clear—and it was reported back to me—that issues of concern within Historic Environment Scotland were beginning to be reflected in a disconnect between the board and the incoming chief executive.

I made a judgment in all of this, notwithstanding the fact that there might have been one or more strains of challenge—in other words, generic challenges. After all, as we know, all organisations have human resources issues.

But in terms of this accelerating into such a serious problem that the Scottish Government sponsorship team and I as the cabinet secretary became aware of it—bearing in mind the point I made previously that the organisation is operationally independent—it was the deterioration of the relationship between the board and the chief executive after she had taken up office and the beginnings of grievance procedures that meant that the issue became something of an altogether different order.

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

These are organisationally independent bodies.