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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
I have raised those concerns previously. There is an evolving world online. We face challenges today that we did not face a decade ago, and there will be new challenges in 10 years’ time. When the Nordic model was introduced in Sweden in 1999, the online business that we have now did not exist, so that was not taken into consideration. It is a huge worry that we have to be on top of these days.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
Yes, but I have raised concerns—there are elements that we agree with and elements that we want further detail on. It would be premature for me to be dismissive of Ms Regan’s bill at this stage and to say that we will commit to carrying it over into the next parliamentary session. I am not against doing that and would be happy to do so if the SNP were in government in the next session, but that commitment would have to come from the First Minister. However, I can commit that there will be on-going work on how we can legislate in the future if this bill does not pass.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
You are asking me whether the Scottish Government thinks that the international examples of criminalising the purchase of sex are working.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
The plan is to roll out operation begonia nationally and get the support in place for that. As I said, it is currently operating in four places. I know that the committee has had an evidence session with Police Scotland, so you will know that one of the challenges is how to get people who are involved in prostitution to have confidence in, and trust, the police, and the police have been working very hard on that since we implemented the strategic approach last year. The long-term aim is to get that approach rolled out nationally. I know that there could potentially be legislation in relation to that, including this bill, but we are currently concentrating on getting the support in place for people who want to exit prostitution, because it is a very complex issue.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
The crux of it is how we get societal change so that it is unacceptable for men to use violence against women and girls. There is a lot of work going on in that area with Police Scotland. Jeff Gibbons may have some further information.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
Yes, women’s safety is my main concern. As I have said, this is a really complex issue, which involves lots of vulnerable people. I appreciate and understand that it is about violence against women and girls, and exploitation. However, we must ensure that we do not put any women in further danger, and there is that possibility here.
I appreciate that there are conflicting sides to the argument. It is not clear cut. I do not think that anybody who has watched your evidence sessions could just jump to one side—I personally could not—because both sides are passionate and the issues are emotive. The issue of the potential for women to be made less safe is one on which I feel that further work needs to be done. I do not want to put any women in further danger.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
Yes. I am aware of that report from Ireland, which came out in March, and of the conflicting evidence that was heard by the committee in that regard. I will bring in Jeff Gibbons, because he liaises with various Governments that are involved in the prostitution legislation. He can give you an update on what we are doing on that point.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
At this stage, we are staying neutral. I have been watching all the evidence sessions with great interest, and I am aware of the conflicting issues and concerns that have been raised on both sides. I do not think that criminalising the purchase of sex is a silver bullet—we need to take a more holistic view, and look at support. We have been looking at all the international examples of where the type of model in the bill has been implemented—again, there are conflicting views on how that is working in different countries.
In my personal view, there is still a lot of work to be done. As I said, the Scottish Government is not against criminalising the purchase of sex, but we need to get it right. I cannot currently see that anywhere in the world is doing it right. We are currently focusing on support and the exiting of prostitution, and trying to bring about a societal change with regard to men’s demand.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
Yes.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 19 November 2025
Siobhian Brown
This is the thing—I go back to the fact that it is a complex issue. We are not seeing any examples anywhere. Anna Donald can come in on that.