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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

I will comment on Mr O’Kane’s contribution regarding amendment 536A. I understand and appreciate his intentions. In order to clarify the position and to address the concerns that he raised, I would be happy to adjust the explanatory notes to the bill to refer to the disclosure of information under section 51A of the 2007 act as an example of regulators’ functions mentioned in section 52(3)(b) of the 2007 act. I would be happy to discuss that with the member in advance of stage 3, if that would be helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, convener. I know about Mr O’Kane’s concerns in that regard, which have also been raised by the SLCC. I am happy to discuss with him how we can move forward on the issue before stage 3, although I cannot commit to specifics at this stage.

Amendment 319 agreed to.

Section 55—Regulatory complaints against authorised legal businesses

Amendment 320 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Amendment 573 not moved.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

I believe that Scottish Government amendments 273 and 642 achieve the intention behind Pam Gosal’s amendment 549 and Paul O’Kane’s amendments 555 and 641, given that our amendments relate to qualifying individuals and will also cover registered foreign lawyers where appropriate.

I know that the issue is very technical, so I am happy to have further discussions before stage 3 on how we can improve things.

Amendment 271 agreed to.

Amendment 272 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 38, as amended, agreed to.

Section 39—Requirement for legal businesses to be authorised to provide legal services

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

Amendments 47, 522 and 466 will make the necessary changes to legislation to reflect the change of name of the Association of Commercial Attorneys to the Association of Construction Attorneys. The association sought that change following the introduction of the bill, and that was approved under section 42 of the Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1990.

Schedule 1 of the bill would make a variety of changes to the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980 with respect to the Law Society becoming a category 1 regulator and the move to entity regulation.

Amendments 5 to 37, with the exception of amendments 15, 24 and 27, are minor or consequential modifications to part 1 of schedule 1 and relate to the Law Society’s functions.

Amendment 24 removes paragraph 22 from part 2 of schedule 1 of the bill, because it is no longer required.

Amendments 412, 413 and 507 make consequential amendments, following a change of name in the bill from the “guarantee fund” to the “client protection fund”. Amendment 11 allows the client protection fund to provide grants, as well as loans, to judicial factors appointed, in order to mitigate the risk of any further pecuniary losses being suffered by the clients of such a person by reason of dishonesty. The amendment reflects engagement with the Law Society, which sought that addition.

Paragraph 6(6) of schedule 1 inserts a new section into the 1980 act to enable the Scottish ministers to, by regulations, adjust section 43 and schedule 3 of the 1980 act in respect of the circumstances when claims can be made and the maximum amount of any grant payable, and in connection with administrative matters.

Amendment 15 restricts the exercise of that regulation-making power only to those cases in which the Scottish ministers have received a request from either a regulator, the Lord President or the consumer panel to do so. Before making such a request, the requester must have consulted the regulatory committee, the Lord President and the consumer panel and must also have secured the Lord President’s agreement to making the request. The provision sets out what information must be provided to the Lord President when seeking their agreement and requires the requester to publish certain documents.

Amendments 461 to 465 make minor and consequential modifications to enactments in connection with regulatory objectives, professional principles and new regulators in part 1 of schedule 3 of the bill.

I move amendment 47 in my name and ask members to support the other amendments in the group.

Amendment 47 agreed to.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

Amendments 48 to 50 have been lodged in response to concerns raised by the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee and legal stakeholders that section 8 might be used to alter the categorisation of the Law Society of Scotland or the Faculty of Advocates.

The amendments reduce the breadth of the delegated power to be conferred by section 8(5). As amended, that power will allow Scottish ministers to alter only the category of a regulator that is assigned by the bill, for example by making a significant change to a regulator’s composition or the way that it operates. The power will not capture the Law Society or the Faculty of Advocates. As an additional safeguard, the regulation-making power may only be exercised at the request of the Lord President. Amendment 49 is a technical amendment to add a more specific cross-reference to the power.

I move amendment 48 and ask members to support the other amendments in the group.

Amendment 48 agreed to.

Amendments 49 and 50 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 8, as amended, agreed to.

Section 9—Exercise of regulatory functions

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

The sections on special rule changes relate to the practice rules and provide regulators with the powers to waive practice rules in defined circumstances for the purpose of promoting innovation or avoiding a regulatory conflict by removing an unnecessary rule or making a rule less onerous, where a regulator considers that to be necessary or appropriate. The waivers are not intended to be permanent, so the bill incorporates transparency and accountability to the Lord President in the process.

The intention of my amendments in the group is to retain the system of special rule changes that are set out in the bill as introduced, but to remove some elements, including the requirement to produce a dedicated report every year, and to introduce more flexibility in other areas in response to concerns that have been raised by the Law Society. The proposals for changes were reached following engagement with the Law Society, which feels that some provisions in sections 21 to 24 do not allow for enough flexibility in relation to the granting of waivers.

Amendment 179 will add to the conditions that are already set out in section 21 a condition that a regulator can give a direction to its member or members “only if” the regulator

“is satisfied the direction is compatible with the regulatory objectives.”

Amendments 180 and 181 will add additional circumstances in which a direction may be given—that is, where the regulator considers that a direction is

“necessary or appropriate in the circumstances.”

Amendment 182 provides that a direction may not disapply or modify a requirement under the bill “or any other enactment”. That will ensure that regulators will continue to meet their obligations in respect of the provisions in the bill or any other enactment.

Amendments 185 and 186 will add to the list of things that a direction must specify, including the period of time for which the direction is to have effect. Amendment 188 will remove the requirement that a direction ceases to have effect after five years.

Amendment 183 will limit the duty of a regulator to consult the Competition and Markets Authority before giving a direction that could restrict, distort or prevent competition to a significant extent to circumstances where the direction that is being given is for the purpose of enabling a new or alternative way of providing or regulating legal services to be piloted.

Amendment 184 will make changes to the bodies to which a copy of a direction is to be given and in what circumstances.

Amendment 187 will place a new requirement on a legal services provider to whom a direction relates to inform the regulator of any changes in circumstances.

Amendment 189 will limit the circumstances in which the Lord President may revoke a direction to the directions that have been given by a regulator, on the basis that it was desirable for the purpose of enabling new or different ways of providing or regulating legal services to be piloted. Amendment 190 will remove the duty to give notice of doing so to the Scottish ministers.

Amendment 191 will remove section 23 of the bill, with the effect that the regulator’s duty to prepare a report on each direction will be removed. Amendment 194 will make a consequential change to section 24. Section 24 of the bill requires a regulator to establish and

“maintain a register of ... Directions”

given under section 21 and sets out what documents the register must contain.

Amendments 192 and 193 will remove the need to include a copy of the application for, or application to amend, the direction.

Amendment 196 will add a requirement to specify

“whether the direction is to have effect for an indefinite period.”

Amendment 195 will make a technical change to denote the placement of the new subparagraphs of section 24(2)(b).

Amendments 197, 198 and 199 will make minor technical changes.

Paul O’Kane’s amendments 543, 544 and 545 would remove most of the special rule changes provisions—sections 21, 22 and 24—from the bill. Unfortunately, I cannot support them. Mr O’Kane’s amendment 556, which is to be debated with group 12, would not be a full replacement for the special measures approach that will be taken through sections 21 to 24, because it would apply only in relation to legal businesses, and not to all legal services providers. That would leave a gap in respect of the Faculty of Advocates and the Association of Construction Attorneys.

The provisions apply not only to the Law Society but to all current and future regulators of legal services in Scotland. The provisions would allow rules to be disregarded where that could bring innovation that could benefit consumers or make a rule less onerous for a legal services provider. The Lord President and the Law Society have been consulted on the Scottish Government amendments. I have listened to the Law Society’s comments and I have sought to address its concerns.

I also consider it important to retain transparency and oversight by the Lord President, following engagement with the senior judiciary. The senior judiciary consider that it is appropriate for the Lord President to have oversight of special rules changes and to have powers to revoke certain types of directions.

I will move amendment 179 and I ask members to support my other amendments in this group. I ask Mr O’Kane not to move his amendments 543 to 545. If he does, I urge members not to support them in favour of retaining the special rule changes arrangements in the bill.

I move amendment 179.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

Sections 25 to 27 of the bill would allow a body to apply to the Lord President and the Scottish ministers together to become a new regulator of legal services, being accredited to authorise persons to acquire the right to conduct litigation, the rights of audience in courts and the right to provide other types of legal services. The provisions will replace and modernise similar provisions that are contained in the Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1990.

Following engagement with the Lord President about the concerns that have been raised by the senior judiciary at stage 1 on the role of the Scottish ministers in the regulation of legal services, I gave an undertaking to the committee that I would lodge an amendment to the effect that it would be the responsibility of the Lord President acting alone to consider any application by a body wishing to enter the legal services sector as a new regulator. Amendment 200 will do just that and amendments 211, 212 and 213 will make consequential amendments.

Amendment 209 will insert proposed new section 26A into the bill to give Scottish ministers the power to specify in regulations the additional regulatory matters that must be dealt with in a draft regulatory scheme. However, Scottish ministers will be able to exercise that power only if they have received a request to do so from the Lord President, an accredited regulator or the consumer panel, following a period of consultation with the specified bodies. Except where the Lord President is the requester, the Lord President’s agreement to the request must be obtained.

To address concerns that were raised by the senior judiciary, amendments 201, 203, 206, 207 and 210 will make changes to the application requirements in respect of the draft regulatory scheme that must accompany an application for accreditation. Amendments 202, 204, 205 and 208 are consequential amendments.

The purpose of amendments 214 to 224 and 227 is to remove the involvement of Scottish ministers from consideration of an application and the accompanying draft regulatory scheme, which will leave it to the Lord President alone. The amendments will also introduce additional requirements for consultation and transparency.

Amendments 225 and 226 will place an additional duty on the Lord President, when considering a draft regulatory scheme, to consult the Scottish ministers as well as the Competition and Markets Authority, the consumer panel and other persons who are considered to be appropriate. Amendments 228 to 231 are consequential amendments.

Amendment 232 will impose a new requirement, in proposed new subsections 29(2A) and (2B), on the Lord President to publish the decision on an application under section 25 by a prospective regulator seeking accreditation.

Amendment 233 will remove the requirement for Scottish ministers to make regulations to give effect to the draft regulatory scheme.

Amendment 234 will require an applicant to give effect to and publish an approved regulatory scheme. Amendment 235 will make a consequential amendment. The committee will be aware from correspondence with the Lord President and the Law Society that the amendments are welcomed by the senior judiciary and the legal profession.

I ask members to support my other amendments in the group, and I move amendment 200.

Amendment 200 agreed to.

Amendment 201 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 25, as amended, agreed to.

Section 26—Regulatory scheme

Amendments 202 to 205 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Amendments 546 and 547 not moved.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

Yes, certainly. Amendment 41 makes it clear that the requirement to exercise regulatory functions in a way that contributes to sustainable economic growth applies only to the extent that to do so would not be inconsistent with the regulatory objectives, rather than, as the bill requires at present, only to the extent that it would not be inconsistent with the exercise of regulatory functions. The amendment addresses the Law Society’s concern that it is circular and confusing to require the exercise of regulatory functions only to the extent that that is not inconsistent with the exercise of regulatory functions.

Amendment 41 makes section 3(4)(b) clear that the duty to exercise regulatory functions in a way that would help to achieve economic growth applies only to the extent that that is not inconsistent with the regulatory objectives as set out in section 2(1).

Amendment 42 adds the Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal as a named regulatory authority in section 3(5), which means that, as a regulatory authority, the SSDT is subject to the duties that are set out in section 3. Those duties relate to how the regulatory objectives are applied and to other regulatory authorities, including the Lord President and category 1 and category 2 regulators.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

Amendments 51 to 72 bring the provisions relating to a category 1 regulator’s exercise of its regulatory functions by an independent regulatory committee established and maintained by the regulator, in line with the equivalent provisions in the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980, which apply to the Law Society’s committees. The amendments reflect engagement with the Law Society.

Taken together, the effect of amendments 51, 52 and 53 is to require rather than allow the regulatory committee to determine its composition, governance arrangements and priorities in accordance with the bill. Amendment 54 ensures that a regulatory committee can continue to delegate its functions.

Amendment 64 allows sub-committees to delegate any of their functions to an individual, such as a member of staff. Delegation to a sub-committee, or onwards to an individual, is subject to some exceptions relating to the regulatory committee’s function of making regulatory rules and decisions around complaints.

Amendment 56 introduces a requirement on a regulatory committee to maintain and publish a document setting out its composition, governance arrangements, regulatory functions and procedures and any arrangements for the delegation of functions.

Amendments 57 and 58 limit the consultation requirement on the regulatory committee to consult the governing body of the regulator to only those cases where the committee is making a “material” change to its governance arrangements, rather than a less significant change to either its structure or governance arrangements.

Amendments 60 to 63 make changes to the rules and requirements relating to the composition, membership and procedure of regulatory committees, with amendment 59 making a minor technical change to clarify the meaning of section 53(3).

Amendment 65 removes the requirement to include in the annual report a summary of decisions to pay out professional indemnity insurance, to reflect concerns raised by the Law Society that it is the insurance provider and not necessarily the regulator that has access to that information.

Amendments 66, 67 and 69 increase the range of material that must be included in a category 1 regulator’s annual report to include information about the number of complaints and regulatory waivers. Amendment 68 is consequential on the transfer of the powers from the Scottish ministers to the Lord President under section 20, to take specified measures in relation to a category 1 regulator.

Following engagement with legal stakeholders, amendment 70 removes the requirement on a category 1 regulator or its regulatory committee to consult the Lord President when preparing an annual report. Instead, amendment 71 will require the regulator to send a copy of the report to the Lord President as well as publishing it.

Amendment 73 is clarificatory and makes minor changes to the interpretation provision in section 13(7), setting out how conduct and regulatory complaints are to be construed, and clarifying that a regulator’s “reporting year” means a 12-month period that coincides with the regulator’s financial year.

Section 14 of the bill requires a category 1 regulator to establish and maintain a compensation fund. It also gives the Scottish ministers the power, by regulations, to make further provision in connection with the fund or the fund rules. Reflecting engagement with legal stakeholders, amendment 74 will restrict the exercise of that ministerial power to cases where the Lord President, a category 1 regulator or the consumer panel has requested them to use it. The amendment specifies the information that must be included with such a request and sets out who must be consulted before such a request is made and when the Lord President’s agreement must be secured, as well as what information must be given to the Lord President when seeking their agreement.

Amendment 75 makes regulations that are made under the ministerial power subject to the affirmative procedure. It aligns with schedule 1, paragraph 6, which inserts section 43A, in respect of the Law Society of Scotland’s guarantee fund, into the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980. That is a delegated power that is subject to the affirmative procedure.

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Section 16 requires a category 2 regulator to prepare and publish online an annual report on the exercise of its regulatory functions. The section also specifies the information that the report must include. Amendments 76 and 77 require additional information to be included in the report.

Amendment 78 makes a consequential change to section 16(2)(g) to reflect that amendment 112 changes section 20 of the bill to allow the Lord President rather than Scottish ministers to take specified measures in relation to the performance of a category 1 or category 2 regulator. Under section 16, the annual report must include details of the steps that are taken by the regulator to comply with any such specified measures.

Amendment 79 exempts the Faculty of Advocates as a regulator from the requirement to include a statement in the report that indicates whether it considers it has been assigned to the correct category in line with the adjustments to section 8.

Amendment 80 requires a category 2 regulator to consult the consumer panel when it is preparing an annual report in order to ensure that consumer interests are considered.

Amendment 81, which was included following engagement with stakeholders, makes it a requirement for a category 2 regulator to send a copy of its annual report to the Lord President in addition to publishing it.

Amendment 82 clarifies that a “conduct complaint” is to be construed in accordance with part 1 of the Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 2007 in respect of a category 2 regulator annual report.

Amendment 83 changes the definition of a “reporting year” to mean, in relation to a category 2 regulator, a 12-month period that coincides with the regulator’s financial year.

The other amendments in the group expand on the information that a regulator must hold about members in its register, as required under section 17 of the bill. They also widen the definition of “professional liability” in the bill to bring it more in line with the definition in the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980.

Amendments 84 to 88 and amendment 90 expand the information that is required to be held by regulators on the mandatory register about its members. In order to provide further transparency about the outcome of disciplinary action, that includes information about the business address, any sanction resulting from disciplinary action, suspension and what is required after a period of suspension has been lifted. Those amendments were included following engagement with stakeholders.

Amendment 89 allows the regulator to decide what additional information the register may contain, as it considers appropriate.

Amendments 91 and 92 widen the definition of “professional liability” as set out in section 18(7) on professional indemnity insurance to include former legal services providers and cover other services, in addition to legal services, which form part of the professional practice of the solicitors or qualifying individuals within the legal business that provides the legal services. The definition draws on some elements of the definition in the 1980 act.

I move amendment 51 and ask members to support the other amendments in the group.

Amendment 51 agreed to.

Amendments 53, 52 and 54 to 58 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 9, as amended, agreed to.

Section 10—Regulatory committee: composition and membership

Amendments 59 to 62 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 10, as amended, agreed to.

Section 11—Regulatory committee: lay and legal members

Amendment 63 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 11, as amended, agreed to.

Section 12—Regulatory committee: convener, sub-committees and minutes

Amendment 64 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 12, as amended, agreed to.

Section 13—Annual reports of category 1 regulators

Amendments 65 and 66 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Siobhian Brown

Section 20 currently allows Scottish ministers to intervene in the event of concerns being raised that a regulator is failing to exercise their regulatory functions in a way that is compatible with the regulatory objectives, and to take certain specified measures. Amendments 112 to 116 and 118 to 120 have the effect of transferring that power from the Scottish ministers to the Lord President. Although the regulation-making power allowing the Scottish ministers to specify intervention measures that may be taken other than those already provided for is retained in section 20(6), amendment 122 ensures that both the Lord President and other stakeholders have a greater role in the process. That amendment provides that the Scottish ministers can exercise the regulation-making power only at the request of the Lord President, who must, before making such a request, consult regulators, the consumer panel and other persons considered appropriate, as well as adhering to certain publication requirements. Those provisions will ensure an appropriate level of stakeholder involvement in the exercise of the delegated power.

The amendments to section 20 have been welcomed by both the Law Society and the senior judiciary in their recent correspondence to the committee. The amendments alter the sanctions available, with amendment 117 removing the ability to impose a financial penalty from the measures available to the Lord President.

Amendments 68, 121, 146, 310 and 311 make consequential changes to provisions in the bill. Amendment 123 makes a small technical change.

Section 19, together with section 20, provides an important mechanism so that there is a process for review of regulatory performance if concerns are raised about a regulator not upholding the regulatory objectives, with a process allowing specified intervention measures to be taken following such a review.

Amendments 93 and 94 reflect the change of powers to the Lord President that have already been discussed.

Amendments 95 to 99, 101 and 106 to 111 make further changes to alter the bodies that may seek a review of the performance of a legal services regulator, the criteria for a review, the process for conducting a review and the types of things that a performance review can include.

Amendment 99 makes a technical change to clarify that a regulator must provide information about performance when requested to do so by the Lord President in connection with a performance review or a decision as to whether to conduct such a review. Amendment 100 requires that information to be provided within 28, rather than 21, days.

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Amendments 102 and 104 insert new provisions into the bill to impose duties on persons other than the relevant regulator in relation to information that they hold relating to the performance of that regulator. That will ensure that the Lord President has all the necessary information available when conducting a review.

Amendment 105 allows the Lord President, when a regulator has failed to provide the information within 28 days, to add such a failure to the existing review. However, the regulator must be given an opportunity to respond to the Lord President’s proposal.

Amendment 103 requires the Lord President to consult such bodies as are considered appropriate in conducting a review of performance.

Amendment 109 requires the Lord President to also send a copy of the report to the relevant regulator and to any requesting body, and amendment 110 requires the Lord President to inform a body that has requested a review of any decision not to conduct such a review.

Amendments 98, 101, 106, 107, 108 and 111 make consequential changes.

Amendment 459 inserts new section 86A into the bill. The new section allows the Lord President to make rules in connection with the exercise of their functions under part 1 or 2 of the bill. Before making rules, the Lord President must consult the consumer panel and each category 1 and category 2 regulator.?

The Lord President is required to publish the rules, once finalised. That transparency provides a check on the exercise of the Lord President’s power.?

I will move on to discuss technical amendments that reflect the substantive changes that have been made to sections 19 and 20 in relation to powers being with the Lord President.

Amendment 147 enables the Lord President to direct a new regulator, or any regulator that acquired rights for its members to provide legal services—other than rights to conduct litigation and rights of audience—under the 1990 act, to change its regulatory scheme in the manner directed by the Lord President. In other cases, the amendment provides that the Lord President can ask Scottish ministers to make regulations to make provision to change the regulatory functions or the way in which those functions are exercised.

Amendments 148 to 152 are consequential or technical amendments, as are amendments 156 to 178, with the exception of amendment 169.

Amendment 169 requires the Lord President, when proposing to remove all the regulatory functions of either an accredited regulator or of a body that has acquired rights for its members to conduct litigation and has acquired rights of audience, to give notice of that intention to authorised providers and to consult them.

I move amendment 68 and ask members to support the other amendments in the group.

Amendment 68 agreed to.

Amendments 69 to 73 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 13, as amended, agreed to.

Section 14—Compensation funds

Amendments 74 and 75 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.

Section 14, as amended, agreed to.

Section 15 agreed to.

Section 16—Annual reports of category 2 regulators

Amendment 76 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.