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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

I will bring you back in, Mr Rowley, but, first, it would be helpful to have clarification on self-isolation before we finalise the bill report. Will that be available to the committee before 13 January?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

We all understand the importance of boosters, but 10 per cent of the population are still unvaccinated, and those people are often in our larger cities. A constituent of mine wrote to me recently after watching our meeting on vaccine hesitancy, which took place on 9 December. Angela, in Ayr, who is about the same age as me, said:

“Hi Siobhian,

I wanted to get in touch to let you know that I am just out of the hospital after contracting life threatening Covid-19. I was hospitalised for 9 weeks. I was blue lighted from Ayr, to Crosshouse and was in HDU and ICU with my oxygen level at 38%. I had been unwell for 4/5 days prior and was advised to self-isolate and drink plenty of water and take paracetamol.

Unfortunately, things progressed and I don’t remember much apart from seeing my fiancé and the doctor, then in an ambulance ... Unfortunately, I had not been vaccinated, not because I was against it or anything. I had just landed a new job and missed my appointment as I had to go down south for training ... I sat and watched patients come and go from my hospital bed in HDU, they were a lot older than me, people in their 70s with COPD and Covid but had their vaccinations, and yes they may have been poorly and still required oxygen ... but they were going home after 2 weeks and I watched this happen week after week and felt like an idiot for not getting myself vaccinated. I nearly died, was touch and go a few times ... do not think this thing isn’t real, it’s very real and doesn’t look as if it’s going away anytime soon.

I have been left with Fibrosis and a cluster of clots in my lung, I have panic attacks and palpitations, my anxiety is through the roof, I have covid flashes ... I lost over 3 stone in 5 weeks and have lost most of my muscle mass in my legs and can’t walk from livingroom to kitchen without having to sit down and catch my breath for a few minutes ... I can’t stand for any length of time or go up stairs, I literally am having to train myself to walk again ... I could go on, but I won’t.

I just don’t want this to happen to anyone else, if anyone is hesitant about getting vaccinated then don’t, because however rotten you may feel after getting your jag is nothing compared to nearly losing your life.”

How can we get that powerful message about the importance of getting vaccinated out to the general public, especially to the 10 per cent of people who still have not gone for their first jab?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

That concludes our consideration of this item, and I thank the Deputy First Minister and his officials for their evidence today.

Item 2 is consideration of the motion on the made affirmative instrument that was considered during the previous item. Deputy First Minister, do you have any further remarks on the SSI before we take the motion?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

That concludes our consideration of this item. I thank the Deputy First Minister and his officials for their evidence during these worrying times.

The third agenda item is consideration of the motions on the made affirmative instruments on which we took evidence under the previous agenda item.

Deputy First Minister, would you like to make any further remarks on the Scottish statutory instruments?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, Deputy First Minister.

I note that no member has indicated that they are not content for the motions to be moved en bloc.

Motions moved,

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No. 8) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/440) be approved.

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No. 9) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/441) be approved.

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No. 10) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/443) be approved.

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No. 11) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/454) be approved.

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No. 12) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/455) be approved.—[John Swinney]

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

I note that no member has asked to speak on the motions.

Motions agreed to.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, Deputy First Minister. I will ask the first question. In light of omicron, the guidance for those who should self-isolate was last updated on 11 December. Could you please explain exactly what has changed?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

The committee will publish a report to the Parliament setting out its decision on the statutory instruments in due course.

That concludes our consideration of the agenda item and our time with the Deputy First Minister. I thank him and his supporting officials for attending. The committee’s next meeting will be next Thursday, which is 23 December, when we will take evidence from the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery.

11:25 Meeting continued in private until 11:37.  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

That is great.

My next question for the Deputy First Minister is about consistency in messaging since the most recent announcement. There seems to be a lot of confusion among the general public, and I am sure that all committee members have received communication about that in their inbox over the past week. We have been told that we should limit ourselves to three households, but people can still go to a nightclub or concert and mingle with thousands. There is also the education setting, on which there have been a lot of questions on the website from the public. Teenagers had a very challenging winter last winter, as they were not allowed to socialise inside, so they took to going outside in crowds, and lots of parents have got in touch asking in what numbers children can meet outside outwith school.

There does not seem to be consistency at the moment. I appreciate that you said that guidance will be coming out this week, but I seek more clarity on what people should be doing.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Siobhian Brown

Under agenda item 2, the committee will take evidence from the Scottish Government on the latest ministerial statement on Covid-19 and subordinate legislation.

I welcome back to the meeting the Deputy First Minister. I also welcome the following Scottish Government officials: Professor Jason Leitch, national clinical director; Penelope Cooper, interim director of Covid co-ordination; and Derek Grieve, head of operational vaccines division. I welcome you, and thank you for your attendance.

I invite the Deputy First Minister to make some remarks before we move to questions.