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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 July 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

Yes. So far, we have had positive engagement with the officials at the Office of the Advocate General, the Scotland Office and other United Kingdom Government departments on using a section 104 order to apply the bill’s provisions to pension trusts.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

I do not think that the bill is going to produce much litigation—certainly not in the long term—but I recognise the cost issue. I am sorry, but I do not have information on that in front of me.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

No. It is still under consideration.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

We will work together to ensure that that is clear.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

The SLC consulted on that issue, and its allocation of jurisdiction between the courts met with general agreement. Currently, most trust litigation is conducted through the Court of Session, while some matters, such as appointing and removing trustees, can be heard in the sheriff courts. The bill expands the types of cases that can be considered by the sheriff court.

Trust litigation is a technical and specialised area that requires considerable expertise at judicial level and among those who present cases. There is a designate trust judge at the Court of Session who has the level of specialism that is required. The bill takes a balanced approach, conferring jurisdiction on the sheriff court where practical but ensuring that complex matters will be dealt with by a single court that has sufficient expertise to ensure consistency in decision making. The SLC looked at other legal systems and found that other countries similarly ensure that trust cases are dealt with by specialist judges who have appropriate expertise.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

We are going with what the SLC says at this stage, but we are open to consideration.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

OSCR has had the power to appoint an interim charity trustee since 2010. The Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill will simply extend the circumstances in which OSCR can appoint interim charity trustees. That power is not new.

Similarly, the Court of Session has long-standing powers in trust law to appoint trustees. The power in section 1 of the bill simply replaces the existing power of the court to appoint trustees, and that is not new, either. That can be done following an application from OSCR where there is misconduct, or where it is necessary to protect charitable assets.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

I will bring in Michael Paparakis, if I may.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

I do not. I refer to the SLC’s recommendation.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Siobhian Brown

Having a statutory style in primary legislation is not necessary or helpful at times—it can become outdated and can be difficult to update. The 1921 act contains only two straightforward styles: a form of minute of resignation and a deed of assumption.

On guidance, in terms of accessibility for laypersons, I am confident that the bill represents a vast improvement on what we have under the 1921 act and other trust legislation. The Government has set out its priorities for this parliamentary session. Preparing guidance on trusts could affect the delivery of those priorities if we need to take resources away from other areas.

I do not think that using a media campaign to communicate what people already expect to happen is an efficient use of public resources.