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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes. In a minute, I will bring in Tom McNamara, who, I know, has been itching to come in. We are very mindful that there is a wide range of views on the subject of single-member panel decision making. We have kept in place appropriate safeguards in relation to appeals and reviews of such decisions, and the single panel member will have full recourse to a panel, should that be deemed necessary or appropriate. However, having taken into account the questions that the committee has raised and some of the evidence that has been provided, I am considering what further safeguards could be implemented.

I ask Tom McNamara to say how decisions by a single-member panel would progress.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am sorry to hear that that young person feels like that. That point of view has not been brought to me previously by a young person.

I am trying to look at it from their perspective, but I do not believe that the Promise has been lost in the Government machine. The Promise is extremely complex. There are a lot more challenges in the way than could have been foreseen back when we first set out to deliver the ambitions of the Promise.

As I said, the Government has a clear position on the legislation that is being delivered. The Government also has a clear ambition in relation to our aims and priorities and the many non-legislative ways that we are working to deliver on the Promise. I come back to what I said about complexity. There is the work that the Government has to undertake, the work that is being done by local authorities, and then we have everyone else who is involved, whether that be health boards, schools or third sector organisations.

As I say, I am sorry that that young person feels that way. If there is a way of making clear the range of work that is under way on the delivery of the Promise, that would be beneficial.

It might also be beneficial to highlight the work that is being done across the Government. My portfolio is for children, young people and the Promise, but we have already talked about housing today, for example. There are asks of other areas of Government that will be required to be delivered for the Promise. The Cabinet sub-committee meets next week and I will get an update on how other Government ministers are implementing their ambitions to deliver on the Promise. Perhaps we also need to make it clear that the work is not being done in just one area of the Government—it is a cross-Government priority and approach.

I will take that comment on board and keep it in mind as I try to ensure that young people are aware of the full suite of work that is under way to deliver on the Promise. I thank Mr Briggs for bringing it to my attention.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have not discussed this specific aspect with other cabinet secretaries. I am seeking legal advice.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

To that specific group—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Convener, you are talking about what can be included in the report. I have given you factual information about the engagement that has taken place, and I am offering to bring my official in to clarify that further or to provide more information in relation to what has gone on around engagement—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

What you are referring to would not be the case, Mr Ross, because, as I said, each child’s or young person’s needs will be assessed on a case-by-case basis by the local authority. I do not—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am sorry, Mr Ross, you interrupted me and I have lost my train of thought. It is not right to generalise and say that a specific group of children will receive a lower level of support. As I said, we are enhancing and extending the right to aftercare, but, as is currently the case, each child’s needs will be assessed on a case-by-case basis, and their needs will be supported in the appropriate way by that local authority. I have said that I am happy to have the discussion with Clan Childlaw, which I will be engaging with in the coming months.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I do not think that it is right to generalise. I have been quite clear in saying that all—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Those concerns were directly discussed, yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Again, it reinforced the lack of engagement, but it also advised that it is on the phone to my officials almost hourly or daily. There are conflicting stories about the level of engagement between it and me and my officials. However, I very much respect Social Work Scotland and want to work with it on strengthening the bill. I said last week in my meeting with it that if it feels that the bill could be strengthened in some areas, I am very open to listening—that is essentially what I have said to everyone who I have met. I believe that this is the appropriate point where we need to take that feedback and to consider it ahead of stage 2.