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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
In the evidence that I have given today, I have been very clear that rejecting the bill is not a move against outdoor centres. I have spoken very positively about the impact that outdoor centres can have on children and young people and the benefits of that. In fact, in discussions with Ms Smith, I alluded to potential non-legislative options such as securing private investment to aid with reinvestment and capital building works, in order to bring some of the centres back into a better state.
Regardless of whether the bill is accepted or it falls, I have already made a clear commitment to continuing to work with outdoor centres. As I have said, I can absolutely see the benefits, and they are a key part of the outdoor education and learning experiences. As I said, I have been very clear on that this morning.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
We are not far apart, but that £5 million could be spent very well in a lot of areas. I certainly would not want to displace £5 million.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
It could still benefit a lot of children and young people.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
Absolutely, convener, we are. We are not miles apart. Again, though—and I know this from taking other legislation through this Parliament—Parliament likes to know how much things cost down to the pound, sometimes. I do not think that saying “It is just £5 million here or there” really stands up.
Perhaps I can highlight some of the reasons for the differences in costs. There are staff costs in secondary schools, inflation, capital costs and the issue of children with additional support needs that I have spoken about. Thinking about it, I would say that some of those costs could take the figure higher, but that is our estimate just now. Moreover, on the capital costs, I come back to the need to understand the sector’s current capacity and, indeed, what I said in response to Mr Kidd’s question about capacity in the specific centres. I have a wide range of concerns about some of the finances, and it is an issue that the committee should consider carefully.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
That is not why the Government is saying that it is unaffordable. The Government is concerned about the financial implications, because, as the member knows, it is in a very difficult financial position at the moment. I cannot even say whether, at the lower estimate, the bill would still be affordable. However, the real concern is our not having more exact figures and there not being more of an understanding of certain things. As you have said, some things have not even been considered, and they really need to be considered as we move forward.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
I do not know whether Nico McKenzie-Juetten wants to come back in but, for me, that still poses a risk. Capital funding to improve the estate is not necessarily just required in year 1. There would be requirements for funding year on year, and I am not referring only to the improvements that are needed in the estate. The public trust model poses a risk. As I say, we are not aware of any instances where that approach is taken, and I am not sure that the Parliament would be on board with that.
That is my opinion, but I do not know whether you have anything to add, Nico.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
The Government could certainly consider that, if it was a recommendation from the committee.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
Considerably well. A huge number of play parks have been invested in, and I believe that the last tranche of funding will come out in March or April. I have heard extremely positive remarks about the upgrade.
Sorry. To begin with, I thought that you were asking about school grounds.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
I now understand that it is about play parks. I count playgrounds as school grounds.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 27 November 2024
Natalie Don-Innes
The evidence has painted a relatively mixed picture. I heard a lot of the same concerns that the Government has about affordability and capacity. However, equally, I heard a lot of commentary on the positives of outdoor learning, specifically in relation to outdoor residential visits. I am a big supporter of outdoor learning in all its forms, and support for that has come across strongly.