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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely. I have heard some of the commentary about that. The group that undertook the 2018 national review of care allowances, which was informed by consultation with stakeholders, caregivers and children and young people, decided that the allowance payment rate should be broken into three age groups: 0 to 4, 5 to 15 and 16-plus. Those age bands are comparable with those used in Wales for its allowance.

It is fair to say that the evidence is limited and rather mixed. Some people think that young children—babies and toddlers—are more costly to look after, while others think that older children are more costly to look after. The most recent research that we have seen, which was conducted by Moneyfarm, suggests that, in 2023, it is more costly to support a six to 11-year-old than it is to support a 12 to 14-year-old, and it attributes that to the cost of age-appropriate toys for younger children and the rate at which clothes—including school uniforms—and other such things need to be replaced.

The allowance has only just been introduced. It is a hugely positive move, but we are open to feedback from kinship carers and stakeholders. We will continue to gather that feedback and will consider the issue when we formally review the system’s implementation in the future, as I said.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely. I would already expect local authorities to do the right thing in circumstances such as those to which Mr Doris referred. However, as I have said, I expect that the refreshed guidance and the on-going work will make the situation much clearer for local authorities. We hope that the guidance will be published by the end of the year. I am very understanding of and switched on to that issue. I have dealt with my own such cases. As I said, we are trying to improve that and to provide more clarity for local authorities.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely. Obviously, I hope that it does not get to that stage. As I said, we have already had positive feedback from local authorities that have already implemented the new system, and I hope that, by the end of the financial year, we will have positive feedback that shows that it has been implemented across the board. However, I am happy to share information with the committee if required.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

We are very switched on to cost of living pressures, and work is on-going to consider the funding implications for 2024-25 and future years in the context of inflation, our fixed budget and the significant financial challenges that the Scottish Government currently faces, as I am sure all members are aware.

I will probably be able to say more about that after the Scottish budget has been set out in December. Discussions with COSLA on uprating will be picked up in due course, but, as I said in my opening statement, the Scottish Government made a commitment to maintaining the 2023-24 levels of support and to reviewing the funding implications in the future.

As I said, I will probably be able to say more after the budget process.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Of course.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely. My officials are in regular contact with their counterparts in the UK Government. As I understand it, although paid leave has been introduced by some organisations, such as Tesco, the matter is still being considered by the UK Government. I am very happy to write to my counterpart, the Secretary of State for Education, to request an update on that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Of course.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Based on what I have said, I do not believe so, because, if it was simply down to a housing situation, removing the child would not be in line with ensuring what was best for the child. Obviously, it is for local authorities to deal with their housing stock, but I imagine that best efforts would be made to ensure that that family could stay together. I do not think that that would be an acceptable reason for a child to be removed.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

As I said, it would be down to the local authority, but I am sure that efforts would be made to ensure that children could stay with their family.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely. Best efforts would be made to ensure that the child faced as little disruption as possible. I will bring in my officials to elaborate on that.