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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As far as I am aware, those teachers are working on a voluntary basis. I will bring in Lewis Hedge in a second to provide further clarity but, given the fact that the work is voluntary, I do not believe that those negotiations would have to take place. I therefore do not believe that local authorities would have any further information to share in that light.

In relation to engaging with local authorities, I have, as I said, engaged with COSLA on affordability concerns.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

There are valid points on affordability that would be of extreme concern to committee members and others if, for example, the bill was a Government bill.

I am trying to emphasise some of the areas that Parliament needs to consider.

If the Government does not provide a financial resolution, the bill will fall—that has been made clear.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

In that case, there would be no vote on it. I will communicate that decision to Parliament by the date that has been given.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have nothing further to add. I am sorry—I did not realise that there was a question there, Ms Duncan-Glancy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I can say that I am following the normal process for bills.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I cannot comment on that, because to do so would be to pre-empt the financial resolution decision.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I understand that. I do not want to say whether I agree or disagree with the process. As I have said, the financial resolution process is an important process to ensure that Government and ministers have control over our budget, but I hear what the convener is saying to me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am merely highlighting the Government’s concerns. That is the line of questioning that you are giving me, convener.

As I have already said, the process is not unique to Scotland. The Welsh Government has it, and the UK Government has used it. We are not in a unique position here. I hope that the committee would be graceful given the fact that we are considering the matter fully. We appreciate that the 26 September deadline is near, and I have committed to ensuring that a decision is communicated by that date.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Apologies, convener, but I do not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I can give that commitment.